Escare is a better full back and a better half than Tomkins. Escare is quite simply a better player than Tomkins.

He clearly isn’t that high impact runner anymore and I’ll freely admit Barba is an alround more dangerous and better player but Tomkins is still top class at this level. His main area of strength is highlighted within those stats. He is creating so many chances for others and his tally of 7 doesn’t tell the full tale tbh. He’s played one less game then Barba and in the Widnes game alone the team bombed 2 or 3 openings he created.

A better Barba vs Tomkins debate would be Barba 2018 when he’s at his explosive best verses the last season when Sam Tomkins still had that explosive running game. That was in 2012 (he started to struggle with injury in 2013 before his NRL move) when Tomkins finished with 28 try’s and 33 assists in the league. He made 156 tackle busts, 37 clean breaks and racked up just shy of 3,500 metres. He was unplayable at times including a couple of performances against Saints at the Etihad and Leeds at Headingley which were as good as anything I’ve ever seen.

If Barba finishes with those sort of numbers in 2018 then as a rugby league fan first and foremost, I’ll enjoy watching him.

Barba was garbage last year, sure he's doing very well in a very good St.Helens team AT THE MOMENT, it's when your team is on its heels that a class player stands head and shoulders above the rest. That isn't Barba.
On current form, Barba but at their peak I'd have rat-boy for all his negatives.

Barba was garbage last year because he was 2 stone overweight and was thrown into a team with a 4 or 5 games to go in a pivotal position. Even then he showed a few glimpses of class.

Could well be the case. I'd also throw the number of games we play into the mix. Barba has yet to play a full English season. Let's see if his enthusiasm and sharpness is still evident after another 25 games, say.

If we take each player at their peak, it has to be Barba as Tomkins never proved himself at the highest level. (he did regularly tear us a new one though)

In todays game, there is no comparison. Barba all day long. However, if you compare them both in their pomp, ie, Barba in 2012 and Tomkins before he did his knee and Barba is still light years ahead.

Regards

King James

Barba was a star in a higher quality competition and has continued in the same vein over here. Whilst Ratboy was big over here he was certainly not in NZ. Barba all day long for me!!

Over the course of a third of a season Amos Roberts was playing better rugby than Barba until the rugby posts more or less ended his career.

That doesn't stack up at all, Amos Roberts average per season was 11 tries 7 try assists and 54 tackle busts, at the moment Barba is on 8 tries 7 try assists and 45 tackle busts and thats only in his first 7 games this season with still another 23 + games to play.
If Barba maintains form he will surpass Roberts 2.4 years achievements in his first full season.

I think you are getting mixed up with Richards not Roberts, Pat Richards was playing great rugby and had more influence than what Roberts could muster.

Wigan fan talking rubbish, surprise surprise.

He’s talking about Amos Roberts in 2010 when he started the season like a train. He finished with 13 try’s and 9 assists from 14 superleague fixtures but all of those try’s came in his first 9 games before he wrecked his knee playing against Wakefield. He never recovered after that but that early season spell was pretty similar to what Barba is producing at the minute (an unbelievable try away at Wire being a highlight).

Edit-I’ve Just watched a highlights reel of Roberts from 2010 on YouTube and he was even better then I remember! Some of the things he was doing were freakish. Ironically he hurt his knee scoring an absolute blinder.