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| Best performance since the 2004 Tri-Nations final.
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| Quote fleabag="fleabag"Your comment of 'simply super-fit drones without skill' sums the current ozzie team succintly.'"
What utter nonsense.
So Slater, Inglis, Thurston, Smith, Hayne etc are only good players because they are super-fit?
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| I haven't read the whole thread but IMO, Thurston is better than Lockyer, and Fitler
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| Quote fleabag="fleabag"
Your comment of 'simply super-fit drones without skill' sums the current ozzie team succintly.'"
If that were the case anyone could do it.
If that were the case the Kiwi team who all play in the same comp at the same level would have been close.
So the whole problem with the Welsh team is they were not fit enough?
Slater has the odd error in him, but is a brilliant conductor from the back and is one of the better broken field players in the history of the game - but he has no skill. Cronk and Thurston can drop the ball on a dime, but that's just pushups and shuttle runs. Smith has so much time to create plays because he's super fast, not because he has great vision and reads the game probably better than anyone in the last 20 years.
Yes, they are possibly the fittest Kangaroos side ever. Yes they had an incredibly simple game plan.
But they played with precision and poise that no amount of fitness and practice could provide alone. The passing, the silky touches, the split second reaction to the unexpected - [ithat's[/i skill.
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| The precision of everything they did was awesome. The kicking game in particular was light years ahead of anything else seen in the tournament. I'm struggling to think of a wasted kick in the whole 80.
As others have said, there may well be better individual players in previous generations, but that's as complete a team performance as I've ever seen live.
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| Billy Slater, Greg Inglis and Johnathan Thurston would be rated equal to the best backs Australia has ever had (the Immortal Andrew Johns excepted).
Jarryd Hayne, having been repositioned at centre, could well turn out to be one of the best international centres Australia has ever produced (he kept Michael Jennings, Brent Tate and Josh Morris out of the team).
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| Quote Saxon="Saxon"
Yes, they are possibly the fittest Kangaroos side ever. Yes they had an incredibly simple game plan.
But they played with precision and poise that no amount of fitness and practice could provide alone. The passing, the silky touches, the split second reaction to the unexpected - [ithat's[/i skill.'"
It was good that Tim Sheens apparently said in his half-time team talk - to run harder and tackle harder. That's what every sensible coach at every level has ever said. That's 99% of what any team, anywhere has to do to win a game of RL. The rest of it is B*****t. We seem to have lost sight of how simple RL is in Britain. As I have said umpteem times we are fixated with people who are flash rather than efficient teams and team players who work away and largely go unnoticed.
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| Quote Roy Haggerty="Roy Haggerty"It's become a cliché - almost a reflex - of RL fans on this side of the world to make statements like "This isn't a classic Australian side", or "This is a sub-standard Kangaroos squad" when the green and golds hove into view. Usually such a statement is made in the context of trying to show just how poor the England/GB side is, because they can't even beat a weakened Roos team. I've certainly heard that this time round, and indeed certainly every tournament since the 1995 World Cup.
I'm here to say that such statements are b@llox. Anyone claiming this isn't a superb Kangaroos side is talking out of their Harris, and has no greater value than an old fella moaning that nothing's as good as Van Vollenhoven/Boston/Huddart etc.
The reason I've heard given for why this set of Aussies are "not a classic side" is because they don't have stand-out players like a Lockyer, a Lewis or a Meninga. Cobblers. The reason they don't have particularly stand-out players is because they are ALL stand-out players. It's like saying that the Louvre's collection of art is weak because none of the works stand out.
Smith, Thurston, Cronk, Inglis, Slater, Thaiday, Gallen : these are astonishing athletes and incredible players. All of them, and their team-mates, would walk into any Aussie side I've seen since I started watching in 1982. Some of the skill on display today was breathtaking, and literally unimaginable from an English perspective. Most of their tries simply couldn't have been scored by an English player - we don't have the men with the fleetness of thought, let alone physical reaction, to do what they did. And that's before we get to a defence which hasn't conceded a single try in 400 minutes of Test rugby, against some very talented professional players.
I'm slightly appalled by the quality of the Aussies because I simply don't see where we can challenge that. This is easily the best Kiwi team in decades, and only the regrettable absence of Marshall weakens it significantly. It's also - controversial, I know - the strongest England side we've put out in decades. Maybe we've had better centres in the past, or craftier halves, but never all at the same time and married to a very strong pack. Yet neither the Kiwis nor England are in the same league as the Kangaroos on this showing.
The World Cup has been a wonderful festival of rugby league, with heart-warming moments and pleasure galore. It's shown again that when two sides of comparable ability come up against each other, then RL is an unmatched sporting spectacle. But it's also shown that the gulf between Australia and the rest remains a chasm. It is hard to see how it can be closed.
Salute the kangaroos, and stand in awe. When you're old men, you'll be able to tell your bored grandchildren that you witnessed possibly the best rugby league side ever to grace a field.'"
All that on one game - you really are a silly old windbag at times.
But hey you're a legend in your own head so how dare a mere mortal question your arrogant assumptions.
Better than us certainly but far from unbeatable, get a grip.
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| Quote vastman="vastman"All that on one game - you really are a silly old windbag at times.
But hey you're a legend in your own head so how dare a mere mortal question your arrogant assumptions.
Better than us certainly but far from unbeatable, get a grip.'"
It wasn't on one game. I explicitly referenced their performances across the whole competition.
Nor did I make any assumptions. Merely offered an opinion.
Most people on this thread have managed to offer their own opinion, either in agreement or disagreement, in a civil, rasonable manner. Like adults discussing something of interest.
You decided to just go straight for the personal insults. Nicely done. Congratulations on your contribution.
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| The way this discussion has gone reminded me of a video clip from a popular video clip site.
Searching for something like "Jarryd Hayne's Freakish Chip" could bring something up.
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| Quote JEAN CAPDOUZE="JEAN CAPDOUZE"Billy Slater, Greg Inglis and Johnathan Thurston would be rated equal to the best backs Australia has ever had (the Immortal Andrew Johns excepted).
Jarryd Hayne, having been repositioned at centre, could well turn out to be one of the best international centres Australia has ever produced (he kept Michael Jennings, Brent Tate and Josh Morris out of the team).'"
Always thought Thurston was overrated,( in an all time list) very very good but not great, my opinion has changed over this World Cup I now think he is up there with the very best, 3 rd behind Johns and sterling for me now, ahead of Langer. And he still as a few years ahead of him.
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| 2013
Australia conceded 4 tries all tournament....272-24.......45-4 average WINNERS
2008.
Australia conceded 3 tries in pool play (9 in total)186-50....37-8 average SECOND
2000
Australia 3 tries in pool play (11 in total)...308-58 over 6 games...51-10 average WINNERS
89-92
Australia conceded 11 tries over 5 games......214-54...... 43-11 average WINNERS
980-186..........44-8 average.
I'd say that based on the last 4 RLWC's the current champions are the most efficient with an average winning margin of 41 points and conceding only 1 try per game on average.....in reality, 5 games they conceded no tries! The 2000 side did score more points, but the 2013 side did face far more professional players from the NRL/SL representing Fiji/Ireland/USA than they did in 2000.
The depressing thing is that even with their loss in 2008, they are the most dominant force in International sport that I can think of....
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