no chance

Bring back GB surely?

A little unfair to use the team for a dead rubber group match as your source of comparison, better players didn't play that day as they were rested for the semis/using Newcastle as a drinking stop. No doubt there are improvements in some areas but the team that walked out in Brisbane was better too.

As for 2013, our best chance to make the final was a win in Cardiff. We need the 80 minute 17 man performance we rarely see and probably a little luck too. England haven't beaten NZ in a world cup in my experience of Rugby League, be nice to change that but I'm not overly confident.

Yes, course we will! C'mon England!

NZ backs are a real threat & probably as good as Australia BUT Englands forwards are a level above anything they have come up against since the ANSAC day test. Get on top of them & their backs will have to live of scraps.

But you forgot one thing: New Zealand forwards are a level above anything England have come up against ever before!

Plus Sonny Bill Williams desperately wants to win this World Cup. We all know that SBW has the X-factor that can smash England's defences at a critical moment.

Finally I haven't even mentioned the massive superiority of the NZ halves!

So let's stop dreaming. It's Last Stop Wembley for England. Enjoy the game, enjoy the atmosphere, and enjoy the spectacle. Then get yourself ready for a blockbuster Final between New Zealand and Australia at Old Trafford.

Obviously we need to overcome the massive French challenge first!

Can we? Yes

Will we? I don't think so

NZ are looking really good to me. Ok, they havnt been challenged just yet but they look aggressive, fast and most importantly clinical. People keep talking about them not dealing with pressure... Time will tell. Those who big up our pack (an yes it's the best pack in ages) can't ignore the size of the Kiwi pack.

Australia are just Australia. Not their best team for some time but they are still Australia and have players who are around 4th choice that could still beat anyone.

Can we? Yes

Will we? I don't think so

NZ are looking really good to me. Ok, they havnt been challenged just yet but they look aggressive, fast and most importantly clinical. People keep talking about them not dealing with pressure... Time will tell. Those who big up our pack (an yes it's the best pack in ages) can't ignore the size of the Kiwi pack.

Australia are just Australia. Not their best team for some time but they are still Australia and have players who are around 4th choice that could still beat anyone.

After watching the Kiwis and Kangaroos in the last 24 hours, I'd have to say that England will be bowing out at Wembley next week. We have nothing even remotely similar in terms of offensive capability. We might not ship as many as USA and Scotland, because our defence will be better, but we'd need to be able to score 4 or 5 tries per match to be able to beat the Aussies and Kiwis, and that just isn't going to happen.

Agreed

Sbw is on fire. He just is that good.
I think it's NZs year this year.

England will have to put all their best patches of the previous games in one game and more to make it to the final.

It's not a foregone conclusion because England have got a very good team

No.

New Zealand v Australia final.

New zealand will beat us quite comfortably I think.