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| At the clubs with wealthier owners, I suspect that Company A pays company B significantly over the odds for goods and services received, then company B sponsors said 'star player' a significant amount of money, which is outside of the salary cap.
This is a very simple and common process that is legal and easily placed elsewhere in an accounting process to avoid it showing up in any audit that the RFL does on a club.
After all, if a club owner has several other trading organisations, what business is it of the RFL as to who they do business with and how, if the club isn't directly linked in any financial transaction?
There's all sorts of loopholes available and Dr Money bags is only saying what a lot of others are doing.
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| Quote Father Ted="Father Ted"The Dr has a point about the cap being too low but he won't get anywhere when dealing with the likes of Hetherington etc.
If he really want to open up the game then to do anything about the cap he may well have no choice but to contest it in court.'"
It won't do him much good to be able to spend what he likes on a team that is ejected from the competition.
Salford have no legal right to be in SL or even in any other RFL sanctioned league. You reckon the other SL clubs would stand by while he drove a coach and horses through the cap system? The other owners all know they don't have the money to compete with him and would vote Salford out.
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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"It won't do him much good to be able to spend what he likes on a team that is ejected from the competition.
Salford have no legal right to be in SL or even in any other RFL sanctioned league. You reckon the other SL clubs would stand by while he drove a coach and horses through the cap system? The other owners all know they don't have the money to compete with him and would vote Salford out.'"
He wouldnt need to do anything other than offer a player a contract at X amount, then withdraw that offer and explain to said player that even though they could afford to, and even though they felt said player was worth X amount, they were unable to offer it because of the Salary Cap.
The player would then bring the case and likely win.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"He wouldnt need to do anything other than offer a player a contract at X amount, then withdraw that offer and explain to said player that even though they could afford to, and even though they felt said player was worth X amount, they were unable to offer it because of the Salary Cap.
The player would then bring the case and likely win.'"
He most likely would. But the player has no legal right to play in any given competition and neither do Salford. They would win the case and find themselves with no competition to play in.
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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"He most likely would. But the player has no legal right to play in any given competition and neither do Salford. They would win the case and find themselves with no competition to play in.'"
The player does have a right not to be discriminated against because they took legal recourse.
The RFL would also need to legally justify the revocation of Salford's RFL membership which entitles them to play in RFL's competition under the rules as set down in the RFL's operational rules.
SL (europe) Ltd would also need to justify the revocation of Salfords share regardless of any vote, even if there was provision within the rules, it would be negated.
You cant realistically have an agreement between the clubs to exclude a club or player because a player exercised their legal rights.
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| Good on Koukash, if he wants to plough desperately needed money into RL then let him. The salary cap is a joke in its present format and is holding the game back. It serves no purpose and is only holding back the bigger clubs and the game as a whole.
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| You're right of course. It did nothing to stop one of those big clubs from going bust.
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| Quote Famous="Famous"Good on Koukash, if he wants to plough desperately needed money into RL then let him. The salary cap is a joke in its present format and is holding the game back. It serves no purpose and is only holding back the bigger clubs and the game as a whole.'"
Could you explain how the cap is holding the bigger clubs back.
Although Saint's (who many would regard as part of the big 4) , may not be having the best of seasons, the others (Wigan, Leeds and Warrington) are going pretty well this time around.
If these clubs were to spend double, or even 10 times the amount that they do now, all that would happen, is that the gulf between the big 4 and the rest would widen.
Do you think this would have a positive effect on the game and help retain the players that are going down under ?
You may be able to save one or two but, even without the salary cap and the weight of the poorer SL clubs around your neck, English clubs cannot compete with the Aussies, due to their sponsorship deal 
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| There's no action a player could bring because of a salary cap. It is not a restraint of that individuals trade, if at all. The article linked to is Australian and therefore has no relevance.
As for Koukash's own Comical Ali, Red League, and his defamatory comments about Warrington breaking the cap, he'd do well to provide his evidence for that or stop making himself look like a mug by repeating it.
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"Could you explain how the cap is holding the bigger clubs back.
Although Saint's (who many would regard as part of the big 4) , may not be having the best of seasons, the others (Wigan, Leeds and Warrington) are going pretty well this time around.
If these clubs were to spend double, or even 10 times the amount that they do now, all that would happen, is that the gulf between the big 4 and the rest would widen.
Do you think this would have a positive effect on the game and help retain the players that are going down under ?
You may be able to save one or two but, even without the salary cap and the weight of the poorer SL clubs around your neck, English clubs cannot compete with the Aussies, due to their sponsorship deal
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Spot on. Not to mention the fact that then all available spending would go on players wages rather than other areas like community work, marketing and sports science.
I'd heard a little stat from one of the sports science guys at Leeds that they're now spending more on sports science/conditioning etc in 1 year than they did in the period 1996-2005.
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| No salary cap for me and no PG's or DL's to find it
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| Quote maurice="maurice"No salary cap for me and no PG's or DL's to find it'"
Will removing the cap actually help anyone.
Apart from stoking up wage inflation amongst UK based players and allowing 4 or 5 SL teams to sign a couple more players, it wont do anything.
And, stoking wage inflation will have a detrimental effect on the game, therefore the net effect is a minus but, lets not upset Wigan or Leeds eh.
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