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Quote: Gazwire "....are the rl board when they have decided to punish Barrow so serverely in comparison to
wigan's poultry points deduction for their salary cap breach which overtly saved them from relegation.

THERE NEED TO BE SOME SERIOUS QUESTIONS ASKED AND SOME ANSWERS GIVEN BECAUSE THIS
STINKS!'"
So you are saying the RFL chickened out?

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Quote: Chris Dalton "Yep. It certainly is true.'"


No it's not. Scholars and Gateshead enjoyed exactly the same enlarged quota as Crusaders. ie a larger quota for teams in expansion areas where there's not (yet) the underlying player production infrastructure

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Quote: rupert bear "The Championship and CC1 need to be regionalised with the winner of the eastern and western divisions meeting in the Grand Final. The current structure of CC1 is an absolute joke. If this was Super League there would be hell on!'"


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Quote: Gazwire "....wigan's poultry points deduction for their salary cap breach....'"


I think the RFL chickened out on that one.

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Quote: tb "No it's not. Scholars and Gateshead enjoyed exactly the same enlarged quota as Crusaders. ie a larger quota for teams in expansion areas where there's not (yet) the underlying player production infrastructure'"


So you've given me three (completely irrelevant) exceptions to the rule, but that doesn't change the fact that the majority are on one quota spot, or that this is a stupid diversion which is irrelevant to the issue of whether crusaders were cheating by playing quota players who were not eligable to work in this country.

ETA: I hasten to add neither Skolars nor Gateshead were even IN the championship that year or any year. Should we discuss Bartercard Cup quota places too?

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Quote: Chorlton RL "Three Cumbrian, Gateshead, two Welsh, London, Oldham, Rochdale and Doncaster... How about that for a geographical spread!'"

At the moment it's only one Welsh club as, unless both I and the Crusaders' website have missed something, there's been no confirmation of Crusaders being admitted to CC1.

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Quote: Chris Dalton "So you've given me three (completely irrelevant) exceptions to the rule, but that doesn't change the fact that the majority are on one quota spot, '"


But 'the majority are on one quota spot' isn't what you said. You saidclub was allowed to, the fact that there were other clubs with the same quota is actually pretty important.

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Quote: The Chronicler of Chiswic "At the moment it's only one Welsh club as, unless both I and the Crusaders' website have missed something, there's been no confirmation of Crusaders being admitted to CC1.'"


This is true

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Quote: tb "But 'the majority are on one quota spot' isn't what you said. You saidclub was allowed to, the fact that there were other clubs with the same quota is actually pretty important.'"


It doesn't "seem" petty and pedantic. It [iis[/i petty and pedantic.

When discussing "the league", we're discussing the one we're talking about, not every single one of them.

The claim was not about them cheating the quota (although why would they when they had such an exemption?), it was about playing none eligable players.

We can all speculate on whether they were cheating the cap by having super league quality players on their pay roll, inflating their crowds, whatever, that's speculation. We can however say with certainty that they cheated.

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Quote: Gazwire "....are the rl board when they have decided to punish Barrow so serverely in comparison to
wigan's poultry points deduction for their salary cap breach which overtly saved them from relegation.

THERE NEED TO BE SOME SERIOUS QUESTIONS ASKED AND SOME ANSWERS GIVEN BECAUSE THIS
STINKS!'"


Wigan breached the salary cap in 2006 and were docked 6 points in the 2007 comp. Barrow breached the cap in 2010 and were docked 6 2011 points in July this year.Exactly equal treatment (actually Barrow go off lighter their six points equals two matches, Wigan's equalled three matches.

Then Barrow "were found guilty of systemic breaches of operational rules over a four-year period following a lengthy investigation by the RFL's compliance department.

"In addition to breaching the salary cap, the club failed to record in player contracts all financial benefits or benefits in kind."

Which led to today's punishment.

Do you really think Wigan should have been docked 29 points and had a director barred from the game for eight years for not doing what Barrow have been found guilty of doing?

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Quote: Chris Dalton "
When discussing "the league", we're discussing the one we're talking about'"


Indeed. The league which has two divisions

Quote: Chris Dalton "The claim was not about them cheating the quota (although why would they when they had such an exemption?), it was about playing none eligable players.'"

Then why mention the quota? And in particular why mention the quota which applied to most, but not all, of the other clubs in the league?

Quote: Chris Dalton "We can all speculate on whether they were cheating the cap by having super league quality players on their pay roll, inflating their crowds, whatever, that's speculation.'"

It is indeed. And unworthy of you to mention it.

Quote: Chris Dalton " We can however say with certainty that they cheated.'"
Actually we can't. They were found guilty of no wrongdoing by the UKBA or the RFL.

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Quote: tb "Indeed. The league which has two divisions

Then why mention the quota? And in particular why mention the quota which applied to most, but not all, of the other clubs in the league?

It is indeed. And unworthy of you to mention it.

Actually we can't. They were found guilty of no wrongdoing by the UKBA or the RFL.'"

Do you really believe your own bull?

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Quote: Blackandwhiteviking "Do you really believe your own bull?'"

I believe in documented facts over paranoid speculation, certainly. And if anyone can provide facts pointing to different conclusions, I'll happily change my views.

But when the responses consist purely of ad hominim crap, I can only conclude that these counter facts don't exist

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