The welsh twins playing for England is the problem, they should be able to choose and stick with Wales and have meaningful regular international competition as Welsh players.

so winning the european cup was'nt meaningful competition?


and the welsh twins are able to choose...wales or england........some players are'nt that lucky

Wales beating France in RL is similar to Waltham Forest beating Hilingdon Borough 2-1 in division 1 north of the Ryman football league.

winning it enabled them to 4nation......hardly worthless or meaningless


people whinge about there not being enough internationals or it having no structure.....when in fact we do and it has..

heres the fixtures scheduled for the end of the season

FRANCE - england knights,england,scotland & ireland (euro tri nations)

SCOTLAND - samoa,france & ireland (euro tri nations)

IRELAND - samoa,france & scotland (euro tri nations)

SAMOA - england knights,scotland & ireland (britain tour)

ENGLAND KNIGHTS - france & samoa

ENGLAND - france & 4nations

AUSTRALIA - NZ & 4nations

NZ - australia,cook islands & 4nations

WALES - 4nations

RUSSIA - serbia,italy & lebanon (RLWCQ2013)

SERBIA - russia,italy & lebanon (RLWCQ2013)

ITALY - russia,serbia & lebabon (RLWCQ2013)

LEBANON - russia,serbia & italy (RLWC13)

USA - south africa & jamaica (RLWCQ2013)

SOUTH AFRICA - usa & Jamaica (RLWCQ2013)

JAMAICA - usa & south africa (RLWCQ2013)

FIJI - PNG series

PNG - Fiji series

Cook islands - NZ

theres never been as many games

It does show the worth it has when it is a qualifying competition.

it does show its worth....


just like the qualification group stages of the UEFA european champions or the FIFA world cup....


we all know who the top 3 teams are in the world......whats unclear is who is the 4th....the teams ranked 4th to 12th can all beat each other, wales are indeed currently ranked 12th in the RLIF rankings.....thats why the european cup & pacific cup are so important....its gives all the '2nd tier' nations a goal and drives development......


or we could go back to tri nations or test series between GB,AUS & NZ and f**k everyone else off and kill international progress once and for all...

Other than the 4 nations none of them are of any great standard.

Exactly, people very rarely celebrate winning a qualification stage. Do you know the winners of the last World Cup qualification stage? Do you know the winners of the last world cup.

Qualification is a means to an end, it is worthless in and of itself.



and there is your problem, why would anyone choose to be part of a nation 4th - 12th when they are viewed, and treated as second class, when they can simply choose to be part of nations 1-3 and be included at the top level. Thats why people switch nations, thats why people choose England, Australia, NZ over Wales, Fiji or Samoa.

You have drawn a false dichotomy. Our options arent as you have described. We have a very obvious option of treating teams 1,2, and 3 the same as we treat teams 4,8, and 12. If Australia are playing Fiji, Samoa and Tonga as well as New Zealand then the likes of MoiMoi and Uate dont need to be swapping, if England play Wales, Scotland and Ireland then Danny Brough doesnt need to be swapping nations, neither does Gareth Carvell.

The answer is to not devalue 2nd tier nations by separating them from the big 3, but to include them in real international competition, not just qualifying competitions and warm ups.

ask mark rowley if winning the european cup was worthless to wales


like i've said time and time again....tightening the laws and enforcing them will stop players switching...bringing back GB to appease player swapping is'nt the answer

If you enforce laws that stop players switching, they simply wont choose to play for any nation outside the top 3. Why would they? Why would they commit themselves to playing European Cup qualification competition when they could play in the 4 nations. Enforcing those laws whilst not addressing the actual problem simply condemns all nations outside the top 3 to always being outside the top 3.

"if" we enforce the laws??? enforcing the laws should be a given.....and enforcing the laws is addressing the actual problem..


not every player is gonna select england...cos not every player is good enough for england....it'll also drive development so the likes of wales,scotand and ireland won't have to rely on grandparent players

We do enforce the laws you are wanting new ones to legislate against a problem which is of our own making. People dont swap countries for the fun of it, they do it because of the huge disparity between representing the big three and representing anyone else.



Yes, so we will be left with a situation where anyone good enough, regardless of where they are born, will find a way to play for England and the rest of the home nations will be left with the cast-offs and expected some how to catch up.