with wire i doubt it was the recession and more the terrible form pre CC final win and tony smith turning things around.

a wire team that arent hopeless should get at least 10,000 in a brand new ground.

with a winning team 13,000 simply isnt big enough.

fill in those corners ASAP

I thought Wire had lodge an application to extended capacity to 18K. Was it another tier on one of the stands along the side?

Indeed, to be completed within 5 years and the fundings in place.
Me n Dally have had this one out though, I just dont see how those corners are gonna find you 5000 but you never know.
Wire, it was the recession and yes we were averaging 10k in previous seasons.
Poor form doesn't help but I personally know 14 people who didn't renew season tickets, including myself as justifying the cost just cant be done when there's no money coming in. I've got one this year as things have picked up and so has the dad but the bros still not bothered and many in the office haven't again and friends

The Guinness Premierships First weekly round saw these attendances:

Sale v. Leicester - 8,751
Saracens v. London Irish - 67, 684
London Wasps v. Harlequins - 67,684
Northampton v. Worcester - 12,073
Leeds v. Newcastle - 7,144
Gloucester v. Bath - 12, 815

Average Attendance - 29, 358 (distorted however due to the double header at Twickenham)

The Guinness Premiership last weekly round had all but one game postponed so there isn't any like-for-like figures but their last round, round twelve, saw these figures:

Sale v. Harlequins - 8,172
Gloucester v. Worcester - 16,500
Leeds v. Bath - 7,593
Northampton v. London Irish - 13,457
Saracens v. Leicester - 14,013
London Wasps v. Newcastle - 8,416

Average Attendance - 11,358

Read into that what you will.

Basically we want Leeds, Wigan and Hull, all above 17,000 and all of the rest at least over 10,000 with the slightly bigger clubs in better grounds getting around 15,000. That would be great.

I think it's possible, our marketing team claims we will be averaging 20,000 in 5 years time as long as we are competing for trophies.

Saints are moving to a new ground and should shoot up to around 13,000 ish.

Warrington are getting more succesful and figures will go up.

Cas and Wakey should move to new grounds in the coming years and could do just as well as warrington have done attendance wise.

Hull KR are a fast growing club and new developments at their ground along with some more success should see them past 10,000 easily.

Hudds are in a great stadium but just need to improve marketing of the cheap season tickets. Bradfords glory hunters will come back with better facilities and a top 4 team.

Catalans are doing great and should pass the 10,000 mark with their developed ground.

Leeds just need to keep a succesful team and hopefully at least stay where they are.


Marketing in RL is just generally poor, I know someone who lives down south who went to one Sale sharks game and they constantly get cheap ticket offers through the post. RU do everything they can to get bums on seats as they have admitted they are a small sport and need to drum up support themselves.

Our marketing team at Wigan have been awesome over the last few years and I think a few clubs just need to put some time and money into this area to get the rewards. What the Wigan marketing team have done is not rocket science but just common sense.

Clubs should be in the schools selling tickets and putting cheap offers on. I think every club should adopt the 'big one' initiative and also enoucourage a company to buy tickets for their workers.

Some of you will say that Wigan is the easiest club to market and you might be right, but, Warrington had around 30,000 fans turn up in the town centre when they won the challenge cup, Hudds had 15,000 at the challenge cup finals they have been in. I'm pretty sure if Cas or Wakey got to a final, similar numbers would appear, the fans are there, but they are not currently coming to the games and it will take a cheap ticket or a special event to get them there.

Clubs cannot rely on the sky money anymore! They need to get their act together by getting more paying customers so they can run themselves and the sky money can be spent on youth developent in the towns.

I have a feeling once all the grounds are sorted in around 10 years time hopefully, we may see a massive step forward but I don't think good facilities is the only answer.

The RFL really don't help either, the prices for the 4 nations were stupid! They should of been £10 behind the goals and £15 on the sideline and we should of been playing infront of packed stadiums, we didn't even fill the DW for an australia game!

The RFL need to start encouraging improvements alot more in this area. I think a double header for the challenge cup semi finals would be great, have it at eastlands with the hope of packing it out. Surely 4 clubs should sell 40,000 tickets for a semi final! Even our showpeice events did not sell-out and if this continues it will be really bad for the sport.

Personally as a fan, I would just love to see packed grounds every week for a great atmosphere!

Where's the chart? It isn't a chart.

I have a nice littel spread sheet of ALL London home attendances since 2000 if you want...pretty colours, nice macros....horrible reading

though! Summary below.
Team Average gate in London.
Celtic 2245
Salford 2663
Hudds 2800
Halifax 2829
Wakefield 2,919
Catalans 2971
Wire 3413
Widnes 3485
Leigh 3522
Castle 3603
Hull FC 3708
Hull KR 3776
Bradford 3941
Leeds 4596
Saints 4725
Wigan 4762

Highest Averae Gate for a season 4,238 in 2006 ...
Interesting that 2000 and 2009 average were almost Identical........well, actually, not interesting, just terrible


On the good news front, the Wakefield game was the highest ever gate (since 2000) for their trip south, so hopefully the new Marketing team can keep it up.

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Quote Khlav Kalash="Khlav Kalash"I thought Wire had lodge an application to extended capacity to 18K. Was it another tier on one of the stands along the side?'" www.builderandengineer.co.uk/new ... -4580.html

Why is your data in reverse order? Is it because you've moved down under to NZ?

Nope...it just cheers me up the further down I read it

Most people on here have short attention spans. All they will see is the bad stuff

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The Guinness Premiership last weekly round had all but one game postponed so there isn't any like-for-like figures but their last round, round twelve, saw these figures

I read that an average of 11358 people are prepared to watch 4. One day the RFL and clubs will get their acts together a bit better with regard to the marketing of the game.
It's all right us saying that most of them are just there for the jolly and don't understand the game, but at the end of the day most of them have parted with cash to attend.
Would that we could get a lot of people turning up just for the jolly.