I think NZ can play better, but so can England, we were woeful in the 1st half.

James Graham was our best player. There were times in the second half that every drive we took we were getting knocked back, Graham was the only one that didn't.

This. Westwood was the only player to stand up to them.

We were shown up by an NZ team who were playing at about 60% today, the Aussies will batter us.

That's hardly a glowing assessment. I'll give the kid a chance for the series. But my money's on him being no more effective than just about any other British half of the last twenty years. He just doesn't have the physical or athletic talents to challenge the best NRL defences consistently.

We was probably playing at 40%

Kevin Brown should have been given his try if only for the remarkable fact that he managed to sight the ball behind Eastwoods a[irs[/ie.

The first try may have been forward but had England had their defensive line sorted they would have stood a chance at defending it. I do think Brown's try was a try, but that doesnt mean you have defend poorly and conceed a try moments later. Im sorry but you can still win when the refs are crap, Wigan have done it many times this season. This is why England are crap, because they have people like you who just whinge about the ref but dont focus on any of the poor things done by England.

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Absolute garbage

And we played to about 50% of our potential! All this talk of how bad NZ ignores the fact that we were worse. We need to focus on our game and really step up to have any chance against Aus. Take some positives from the 2nd half performance and work from that.

Chickens go pretty quick!


You said that due to the refereeing, the Kiwis should have 12 points less and England 6 points more. That would've made the score 16-12, England's way.

NZ will get better, we won't. Same old England down under.

Will there be massive changes against Australia you think?

Roby's first spell was poor, but when he returned he was awesome. Maybe we should play him off the bench next time. Also two props on the bench and Sam to full back with Brown and Robinson at the halves. This would mean possibly playing Lunt at starting hooker.

Im loving all the talk about the ref, but there isnt as much about the poor completion rate.