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Quote: St pete "Nope;
Registered players in Oz;

RU - 136,000 (approx)
RL - 172,000 (approx)
AFL - 615, 549
Soccer - 440,000 (approx)

Puts to bed the myth of RL being Australias national sport eh??'"



Is that correct? 440,000 for football and only 172,000 for rugby league?'"
What's that saying about statistics? Lies, damn lies and statistics. icon_smile.gif

Soccer has a massive junior base because mothers don't want their kids to play contact sports at a young age. Once kids get to high school they play contact sports like RL.

The stats also ignore Touch Football, which is the second biggest participation sport in the nation. RL is a tough game, many people who love RL tend to play Touch Footy socially because there's a much lower chance of injury.

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Quote: St pete "How does AFL stand in terms of rugby league as number 1 sport in oz?

If union is as small as you say it is in oz then you do pretty well in union'"
Union has been dominated by a tiny country like NZ for a century.

With Australia's RL pedigree it's not really surprising that our RL rejects are competitive on the Union world stage...

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think the category term "Football" needs to be more refined as "Footie" is Aus normally refers to Aussie Rules Football

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Only 172,000 play RL in Australia?no way the real figure is above 400,000.

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Quote: rickyj1800 "think the category term "Football" needs to be more refined as "Footie" is Aus normally refers to Aussie Rules Football'"
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Where do you guys get your info from...
Footy can refer to any football code in Aus.

Ask someone what they thought of the footy last night and you could be talking about four or more different games.

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Quote: dixie "Do you seriously think that if Rugby league became our national sport, we'd struggle against Aussies as much as we do?

Look at Rugby Union. Whilst not very good atm, England still manage to turn over the Aussies quite often e.g. the last two world cups.

p.s. Burgess is a good as anything the Aussies produce in the forwards.'"


England is competitive with Aus, they just lack the self belief. With the franchising of the ESL it should produce a more stable and :. a more competitive league. The top players just need more competitive games. Having something like SOO would be a massive bonus but all they need is a season full of games that could go either way.

Besides, India has well over a billion people to Australia's 20M and arguably love cricket more than the Aussies (they don't have any other sports that come close to the coverage cricket gets in India). Yet Oz still has the wood over India. If it was purely about popularity/population then no-one would ever beat the Indian cricket sides.

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Quote: St pete "I think smith made a mistake picking tomkins and eastmond as the halfbacks last week and this week.

We got away with it last week as sinfield was running the show and moving us round the field from dummy half.

Eastmond for me should have been centre or on bench as we needed a scrumhalf that can direct the team round pitch and also have good kicking game.

I just feel they wasn't ready YET to be our halfbacks but who else do we play as myler IMO ain't ready just yet either.

IMO brough may have done a good job with the direction and kicking game but is he good enough?

I'm sure eastmond and tomkins over next few years will be a killer halfback pairing.'"


said the same on the way out last night. tomkins is going to be a good player but not yet. he was anonymous last night

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First up, does anyone have links to any stats for the game? I'm pretty desperate to go over them.

Quote: Lockyer4President! "England is competitive with Aus, they just lack the self belief.'"

In recent years, I would agree, but not this tournament. They've got the belief now, but their 80 mins still needs a lot of work. The signs of fatigue were there in the last 10 minutes of the first half, and were obvious in the last 20 of the second half. That's still 30 minutes where they couldn't compete. It's a huge difference, hence the scoreline.

The fact is the NRL is not full of players who can play intense footy at a high level for the full 80 mins. Those elite players are in a minority, but we have enough to make 4 or so teams, which are distributed between Australian and New Zealand. SL has maybe one team of these players, and not all of them are English.

I thought that was easily the best English/GB performance i've seen this decade. They played better than in their 2004 and 2006 wins against us. We provided much better competition this morning than in both those other games and they totally matched us for 50 minutes.

I hope people can realise the English pack is overrated. Not by any means am I calling them poor, they are very good, but they clearly fatigued. The constantly underrated Australian pack absorbed everything, and looked shaky at times, but prevailed in the end not by bashing their opposites into submission, but by simply being consistent over the full 80 mins. Stamina and consistency is underrated, and our forwards have got it.

Burgess is a massive, massive talent. What a signing for Souths. If he doesn't stay in the NRL for 10 years (and I wouldn't mind if he does), he will return to SL almost a legend. His game will move to another level over the next few years and it's honestly scary to think about. He will learn consistency and workload. Workload is something he did not display tonight, but his impact was immense.

Crabtree is farking huge, and was much better contained tonight, but should absolutely be a main-stay in the English squad for years to come. Personality comparisons aside, he has reminded me of Willie Mason.

Sinfield, despite getting a bit of flack after the Final, has made me change my mind about him somewhat. I think we can all now agree that he will never be able to bring his club form and leadership to the international stage (obvious prior to this tournament, in my opinion), but he showed me more than i've ever seen of him, and it mostly came from hooker.

Eastmond. Is he really any better than Burrow at the moment? His running game is his biggest threat by far. He can pass and kick somewhat, but it's a long while, if ever, that he can rely on those skills from what i've seen. That puts him in the same category as Burrow for me.

Tomkins. This kid impressed me. Very nice step, there's a hint of an early Benji Marshall there. Marshall lost that sharpness of stepping (he's still very good at it) as he put on muscle (weight), and it's quite outstanding when you watch his highlights from his first 12 months in the NRL. Tomkins' skills did not stop at his feet. He showed a creative mind with the vision to match. He's got great slight of hand for his age, his short balls are winners. Same can be said of his short kicking game. Long passing and kicking still needs to be developed a great deal, but he's very young and got a lot to look forward.

I don't really want to suggest Morley's time in Tests are up, he doesn't deserve that, but you've got to face reality and say he's becoming a bit of a passenger.

I think that's all i've got to say about the English players. The rest performed as I expected (which is positive and negative, from player to player), or were anonymous.

Oh, one thing did surprise me was England's success with the high ball. It was clearly a planned tactic and paid dividends most of the time. Well done on that, I would never have thought it would go that way.

[EDIT] England's major flaw was the almost robotic refusal to spread it wide. A few times the forwards earnt space for the backs and it was wasted. I was worried during those moments but that was unfounded as nothing happened. Our backs are amazing players, but pretty much for their attack, not defence. Why so shy?

For Australia, I thought Gallen was epic. If i'm not mistaken, he went the full 80 and both his attack and defense was immense. AND, no penalties or errors (again, it's for things like this that I really want to review game stats, because I could be wrong)! Apart from his debut year in Origin, i've been mostly disappointed with his performances in rep games, but he did us proud today. Best forward, easy. Respect.

Luke Lewis also stood out, mostly for his defence. Great technique and great scramble to pop out of nowhere for more than one try-saving tackle. His run-on selection was rubbished by many, but he proved them wrong.

Lockyer. Despite a knock-on and a hilarious mid-field bomb that went backwards, he was excellent. He's not done yet as a player, even if he does hang up the boots for Test footy now. I personally thought he was better than Thurston. It would've been great to see him score a try, earning him a hat-trick of breaking long-standing Kangaroo records. For that reason alone, he has to play the ANZAC Test next year, even if he doesn't play in the Four Nations again. He's not really one to glory hunt, but i'm one of many, many fans who want him to do it. He deserves it.

Hayne's involvement was much better. About time, Jarryd, but you were by no means outstanding.

Slater, Slater, Slater. 8 tries against England in the last 3 games. Great stat. Fact is, he doesn't do this against the Kiwis. I don't know what to think of him as our fullback. Some may think i'm mad, but I still don't think he should be there against the men in black. They know how to silence him and prove it quite consistently.

Farewell Hindmarsh. Great service to the Green and Gold, and Sky Blue, and this tournament has not tarnished that legacy one bit. One of my favourite players to play the game. I'll be delighted to see him win a Premiership, so long as it's not at the expense of the Raiders.

While I was watching the game and following commentary on here, and while reading post-match comments, I felt like arguing over certain refereeing moments. Now, i'm just gonna leave it. We won handsomely, no need for debate.

Well done, Kangaroos, we're back on track.

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Having been to the game i'd have to say:

1.Our forwards were more than a match for theirs.
2.At half back, Eastmond had his moments and looked dangerous on occasion but all of our plays seemed to fall apart when Tomkins had ball in hand.
3.I think we lacked the impact of a "real" hooker. Why doesn't Diskin get picked? For me he is the best we have!
4.Of the backs I thought Shenton went ok until the injury, as did Fox, Bridge gave away to many penalties in the first half and I dont think has the pace of an international centre.
5.Shaun Briscoe is a kind of "what you see it what you get kind of player". You will always get a solid and workmanlike performance from him at any level he plays. Is that enough at international level? IMO he is the best option we have at the moment.

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Quote: The Clan "He's the best scrum half in the SL bar none!'"

No he isn't. icon_lol.gif

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Quote: CGD "

[EDIT] England's major flaw was the almost robotic refusal to spread it wide. A few times the forwards earnt space for the backs and it was wasted. I was worried during those moments but that was unfounded as nothing happened. Our backs are amazing players, but pretty much for their attack, not defence. Why so shy?.'"


That's not really hard to work out. Our centres were Shenton for the first 50 (who is a defensive centre, not an offensive one), Bridge ('nuff said) and then Ellis (a second-row).

Smith's game plan was the best he could do - there's no point passing it to our threequarters anywhere outside the Aussie 20 metres, as they have neither the pace nor the skill to make anything of the ball. So Smith's whole plan was to use the best tools he had - the pack. The reason why they were so knackered by the end is that not only did they do the usual forward defensive work, but they had to carry practically the entire offense as well.

By far the most significant weakness in the English game now is that there isn't a single international class Englishman who could wear numbers 1-5, playing anywhere in the SL.

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Quote: Roy Haggerty "
By far the most significant weakness in the English game now is that there isn't a single international class Englishman who could wear numbers 1-5, playing anywhere in the SL.'"


Indeed. The English forwards were totally knackered by 60 minutes and I reckon the Aussies knew they would be. All they needed to do was bide their time and strike when we'd run out of juice.

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Quote: Cheshire Tiger "


Im a PE teacher mate - that just inst allowed in british schools and simply wont come back. I tend to disagree though, at schools it should be about starting to play. Clubs should be about winning'"


I teach PE in a Leeds school and from KS2 upwards the children compete in inter and intra competitions all the time. There are also then festivals where the main thing is the taking part.

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Quote: CGD "First up, does anyone have links to any stats for the game? I'm pretty desperate to go over them.
For Australia, I thought Gallen was epic. If i'm not mistaken, he went the full 80 and both his attack and defense was immense. AND, no penalties or errors (again, it's for things like this that I really want to review game stats, because I could be wrong)! Apart from his debut year in Origin, i've been mostly disappointed with his performances in rep games, but he did us proud today. Best forward, easy. Respect.'"



Gallen made 1 error and conceded 2 pens. he did play 80. 30 tackles and missed 2.

live.nrlstats.com/matches/nrl/match2768.html
Quote: CGD "First up, does anyone have links to any stats for the game? I'm pretty desperate to go over them.
For Australia, I thought Gallen was epic. If i'm not mistaken, he went the full 80 and both his attack and defense was immense. AND, no penalties or errors (again, it's for things like this that I really want to review game stats, because I could be wrong)! Apart from his debut year in Origin, i've been mostly disappointed with his performances in rep games, but he did us proud today. Best forward, easy. Respect.'"



Gallen made 1 error and conceded 2 pens. he did play 80. 30 tackles and missed 2.

live.nrlstats.com/matches/nrl/match2768.html


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Tim Sheens got it right for me when he said that the real difference is that Australia has State of Origin, where the top players learn to deal with high pressure situations. What I think got to us in the end was not so much physical as mental fatigue.

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