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| Quote: saints35 bulls0 "He made a couple of major errors in that game - which is allowable, I guess, as long as he learns from them...e.g. in future dont shout "play on" when you mean "tackled", simple things like that.'"
He didn't. See my comment on the appropriate thread.
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| Quote: tb "You (and he) may find that that is not in fact the case.'"
I know it's not the case but why shouldn't it be? He should be allowed to say whatever he wants, like yourself and I can.
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| Quote: RB "I know it's not the case but why shouldn't it be? He should be allowed to say whatever he wants, like yourself and I can.'"
See my earlier post (or think of it like public criticism of the moderation process on here). There are ways and means (if he's got real complaints) – a public attack on an officials isn't one of them.
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| Quote: RB "I know it's not the case but why shouldn't it be? He should be allowed to say whatever he wants, like yourself and I can.'"
Correction. He should grow up, and behave like an adult. he should learn how to lose gracefully, and he should use the proper channels if he has issues with officiating.
There is no reason why he shouldn't make tempered, proportionate replies to questions. There is every reason why he shouldn't behave like an ignorant, loudmouth, obnoxious twa [size.[/sizet. Responsibilities come with his elevated position, and he has let himself, his club and the game down appallingly, and set an extraordinarily bad example.
He has also unfairly reviled one of the country's top referees, knowing the object of his cheap slurs has no right of reply.
He should be ashamed of himself. At least Ricky Stuart was man enough to recognise how inappropriately he'd behaved. I'd recommend some of the same medicine to Justine.
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Correction. He should grow up, and behave like an adult. he should learn how to lose gracefully, and he should use the proper channels if he has issues with officiating.
There is no reason why he shouldn't make tempered, proportionate replies to questions. There is every reason why he shouldn't behave like an ignorant, loudmouth, obnoxious twa[size.[/sizet. Responsibilities come with his elevated position, and he has let himself, his club and the game down appallingly, and set an extraordinarily bad example.
He has also unfairly reviled one of the country's top referees, knowing the object of his cheap slurs has no right of reply.
He should be ashamed of himself. At least Ricky Stuart was man enough to recognise how inappropriately he'd behaved. I'd recommend some of the same medicine to Justine.'"
Overreacted much? Calm down
He's not the first and definitely won't be the last, yet the refereeing standard has dropped, if anything. Coaches are only human and it's their jobs that are on the line at the end of the day.
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| The bottom line here is Hudds were too good for HKR,and the coach should except that, its is players who he should be slagging off not the Ref.
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| Quote: j_hunter_hkr "...yet the refereeing standard has dropped, if anything. '"
That, with respect, is just your lightweight view. I would say that - professional referee slaggers aside (and there are a fair few of those)- we have seen a lot of excellent refereeing this season so far, and the situation is (to any but the blind and irreversibly prejudiced) a whole lot better than the penaltythons we were having this time last year.
Quote: j_hunter_hkr "...Coaches are only human and it's their jobs that are on the line at the end of the day.'"
Don't make me laugh, whatever went on in that game, nothing the referee did bore any relation to Morgan's job tenure, which is hardly under threat. Even in the heat of the moment, Morgan was not speaking out of control, he'd no need to go overboard.
And whether or not his "job is on the line", this was in any case nothing to do with his attack. It was a very personal tirade making very specific and apalling accusations of incompetence.
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| Quote: j_hunter_hkr "Overreacted much?'"
Yes, Morgan did.
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| Quote: j_hunter_hkr "He's not blamed the referee for our defeat (we lost because we were pretty bad). He's raised a seperate issue of the poor standards we have to put up with week after week from certain officials.
Like I've said a few times, if I was as bad at my job as some of these "professional" referees are at theirs, I'd get sacked immediatley.'"
He's spitting his dummy put pure and simple. He's well within his rights to question and even complain about a referees performance but there are proper channels and I would suggest moaning in the media is not the best way to go about it.
As for refs been wrapped in cotton wool, what good would it do if Cummins came out and the ens of every round critisising his employees in the press, I'm sure they review the performances and try and improve. The moaning about referees by fans and managers alike is laughable at times.
Refs make mistakes, players make mistakes and managers make mistakes, its human nature, deal with it.
The refs do a very difficult job, the are making these decisions at match pace and often make decisions based on what the touch judge says apart from televised games they don't have the luxury of replays on TV. As I said the berating of referees by managers is getting stupid and I hope Morgan gets punishment for his latest outburst, he seems to be a very sore loser.
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| Quote: christopher "He's spitting his dummy put pure and simple. He's well within his rights to question and even complain about a referees performance but there are proper channels and I would suggest moaning in the media is not the best way to go about it.
As for refs been wrapped in cotton wool, what good would it do if Cummins came out and the ens of every round critisising his employees in the press, I'm sure they review the performances and try and improve. The moaning about referees by fans and managers alike is laughable at times.
Refs make mistakes, players make mistakes and managers make mistakes, its human nature, deal with it.
The refs do a very difficult job, the are making these decisions at match pace and often make decisions based on what the touch judge says apart from televised games they don't have the luxury of replays on TV. As I said the berating of referees by managers is getting stupid and I hope Morgan gets punishment for his latest outburst, he seems to be a very sore loser.'"
Again, I'll go back to my original postThe point is, everyone you mentioned above is publicly accountable for their mistakes except referees.
If Justin kept quiet and approached the RFL about Mr Thaler's performace do you really think anything would be done about it? Nope. You can slam him as unprofessional or whatever you want, but referees need to be brought down from their pedestals and made accountable for their p*ss poor performances publicly!
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| Quote: j_hunter_hkr "but referees need to be brought down from their pedestals and made accountable for their p*ss poor performances publicly!'"
Why? what would it achieve? probably a drop in refereeing numbers I would suspect.
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| Quote: j_hunter_hkr "...
If Justin kept quiet and approached the RFL about Mr Thaler's performace do you really think anything would be done about it? '"
You are taking it as a "given" that there was something wrong with the referee's performance. That is your error as it is just the opinion of Morgan and some disgruntled fans of the losing team. Such reports as I've read, for example, don't slag off the ref.
Quote: j_hunter_hkr "... referees need to be brought down from their pedestals and made accountable for their p*ss poor performances publicly!'"
Careful, your agenda is showing. If that idiotic generalised view is what you really think, your opinion is not to be taken seriously.
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| Quote: tb "If I was the RFL, I'd make a point of appointing Thaler to ref as many Rovers games as possible after Morgan's unprofessional dummy spit.'"
Yeah very mature idea.
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| Quote: Roofs "Yeah very mature idea.
And a complete reversal of RFL policy, judging by their handling of Ian Smith's spat with Daniel Anderson last season...
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "You are taking it as a "given" that there was something wrong with the referee's performance. That is your error as it is just the opinion of Morgan and some disgruntled fans of the losing team. Such reports as I've read, for example, don't slag off the ref.
Careful, your agenda is showing. If that idiotic generalised view is what you really think, your opinion is not to be taken seriously.'"
Sorry Mr 14000 posts, your opinion is obviosuly more valid than mine because you don't like what I have to say
What exactly is my "agenda"? All I want is to see an improvement in refereeing standard and if that means dropping refs if they aren't good enough then so be it.
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