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Quote: Buggo "I do not think that is right.
All of the English backs have looked like Rabbits in the Spotlight when they have been run at.
They may have pace and skill but they lack the ability in defence when facing a player with similar or better pace and skill coming at them.
How many times has England not handled quality decoy runners over the years?
The fact is the Forwards will hold their own for most of the game, the backs will be what they have been for longer than I can remember and when a few are scored against them it all folds like a pack of Cards.
More Backs need to have a go in the NRL and be forged in a game that sees very few easy games or 30 minute games where the top teams can go back several gears.'"


Thats what we heard prior to the WCC last year however Watkins never looked phased by the opposition & was easily the best centre on the pitch!

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Quote: tony1983 "He has played for New Zealand Maoris, New Zealand A's and the Exiles in a match against England.

Point taken, not a great comparison but still hardly perfect England material.'"


So thats another reason to drop him then! Id rather have Tomkins in the halves than Chase.

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Quote: django "Thats what we heard prior to the WCC last year however Watkins never looked phased by the opposition & was easily the best centre on the pitch!'"



I did not realise that Manly supply the Centre pairing for the Kangaroo squad?
One is a Kiwi and one has retired from Tests some years ago.

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Quote: Buggo "I did not realise that Manly supply the Centre pairing for the Kangaroo squad?
One is a Kiwi and one has retired from Tests some years ago.'"


I'm sorry, but you said

I didn't realise you were only talking about when they were run at by the Current Australian Centres.

So what you're saying then is that our centre's are perfectly happy when anyone other than the current Australian pair run at them! That's not too bad then, you obviously hold our centres in higher regard than I first thought!

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Quote: JB Down Under "Reed had a shocker tonight.'"


He had a few shockers last season and is poor defensively. A very average player, much like Widdop, who no one would be suggesting for England if he didnt play in the NRL.

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Quote: roughyedspud "josh morris is ordinary
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Have you actually watched him in the last 12 months? He was the best centre in the NRL last season!!

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The best centre I have ever seen was Gene Miles.

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Quote: roughyedspud "josh morris is ordinary
justin hodges has never done anything at international level,puches people at origin level and runs around the NRL like a show pony...
michael jenning has'nt done anything at any level either

greg inglis is ok though Very funny.

Morris, as Harrigan says, was the best performing centre in the NRL last year. He had a great Origin series, opposite none other than Inglis.

Hodges has had varying International success, I admit, but I think the point of this thread is comparison and he has still definitely performed better than any currently eligible English centre.

Jennings was very good in Origin last year also and not for the first time. And like with Hodges, I am yet to see an English centre that is his match.

Inglis, yep, he goes alright.

I really do like what little I've seen of Watkins, but I wait to see him against the Kangaroos. He is good, but we'll see how good.

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Crikey im happy with Atkins and Watkins.

They might not be as well rounded as Inglis, Morris, Jennings et al but theyll have a go. Theyre big, pacey lads who dont mind a tackle and a run at someone opposite them. Id have no problem watching Atkins v Morris.

I agree our gigantic problem is the halves. We get kicked to death by the Aussies and then come back at them by giving Slater the ball on the full 20 metres out pretty much everytime. The ability to hit the ground with the ball from a kick seems to be absolutely bewildering to any England kicker. And it gets even more upsetting when they start taking it in turns to see who the 'best' is.

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Quote: Ande "Crikey im happy with Atkins and Watkins.

They might not be as well rounded as Inglis, Morris, Jennings et al but theyll have a go. Theyre big, pacey lads who dont mind a tackle and a run at someone opposite them. Id have no problem watching Atkins v Morris.

I agree our gigantic problem is the halves. We get kicked to death by the Aussies and then come back at them by giving Slater the ball on the full 20 metres out pretty much everytime. The ability to hit the ground with the ball from a kick seems to be absolutely bewildering to any England kicker. And it gets even more upsetting when they start taking it in turns to see who the 'best' is.'"



dont worry, we have the worlds best player at 6, playing so well he is keeping the best tactical kicker in the English game out of even the 40 man squad

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probably going to get laughed down, but i think goulding would be much less of a gamble than atkins or cudjoe. so solid defensively with great hands, admittedly lacking athletically but a great rugby brain.

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Quote: the wrestler "probably going to get laughed down, but i think goulding would be much less of a gamble than atkins or cudjoe. so solid defensively with great hands, admittedly lacking athletically but a great rugby brain.'"


Goulding would be a great option, solid defence & great hands, doesn't seem to get the credit he deserves from a lot of people though. Heard he did a great job of keeping Atkins quiet at the DW

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Cudjoe has outclassed ever centre he has lined up against this season

His game has genuinely improved leaps and bounds thanks to his time with England last season

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Cudjoe has been immense in defence so far this year, anyone suggesting he isn't one of our best is judging simply by club.

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