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| Quote: Beverley red "I am not bothered either way as 7's to me is a waste of time. But what I dont want is the English union at Twickers to be in charge as it will be GB & it should be done by the British olympic commitee, If they think any of our players are good enough they should ask. We have to stop the propaganda machine of Union grabing the name & all things Rugby.'"
The 7's teams will be picked from Union players as the RU's will be the ones picking the players...
Swimming Aus picks the swimmers, Athletics Aus picks the runners, etc. 7's is a Union promoted game so it only makes sense that the ARU will pick the teams.
The RLIF should be working on getting touch footy or 9's more widely accepted and get that into the Commonwealth games first and then try for the Olympics.
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| Moves are afoot to get RL Nines in the C'Wealth games but as usual with RL efforts are 1/2 ar5ed.
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| Quote: Wheels "I'm pretty sure a journo will have asked him first. I strongly doubt he just wandered into the room and went into a rant about how great all other sports are compared to League...'"
Exactly. One of the tiny number of players the media have the slightest interest in. Gets asked a few questions, gives an answer, might not even have spent much time thinking it through, might be right, might be wrong, but he's not running around the country trying to stitch up the sport he loves. FWIW I can tell you for a fact he'd much rather stay in League. One day, because everyone is entitled to make the best living they can, he might decide that Union is the best option to fill up a healthy pension pot for his future life, but I'm sure he'd rather not if it can be avoided. League in Europe isn't going anywhere good in terms of earning potential whilst we can't attract any commercial interest.
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| Quote: Lockyer4President! "The 7's teams will be picked from Union players as the RU's will be the ones picking the players...
Swimming Aus picks the swimmers, Athletics Aus picks the runners, etc. 7's is a Union promoted game so it only makes sense that the ARU will pick the teams.
The RLIF should be working on getting touch footy or 9's more widely accepted and get that into the Commonwealth games first and then try for the Olympics.'"
i am sure its a different governing body, and its not as if the england 7's team is the union version of england knights. its a totally different set of players i think.
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| Quote: JB Down Under "Moves are afoot to get RL Nines in the C'Wealth games but as usual with RL efforts are 1/2 ar5ed.'"
Would be good to see.
Quote: JB Down Under "i am sure its a different governing body, and its not as if the england 7's team is the union version of england knights. its a totally different set of players i think.'"
7’s is a union administered game, not a generic ‘rugby’ game.
In Aus the ARU picks the Wannabes and 7’s teams.
Just as the ACB picks the Test, ODO and Twenty20 teams, etc.
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| we are far too confident, things have come a long way since Wigan and Bradford played in the middlesex 7s, I think any RL league all-star 7 teams playing a specialised rugby union 7's team would get absolutely bummed hard
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Quote: Bill Sonny "we are far too confident, things have come a long way since Wigan and Bradford played in the middlesex 7s, I think any RL league all-star 7 teams playing a specialised rugby union 7's team would get absolutely bummed hard'"
A QLD school who had never trained with RU rules before won the national sevens comp last year...
www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... -reyz.html
Aus Union players are a joke but the Wallabies are still the second best team in the world. Says it all really.
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Quote: Bill Sonny "we are far too confident, things have come a long way since Wigan and Bradford played in the middlesex 7s, I think any RL league all-star 7 teams playing a specialised rugby union 7's team would get absolutely bummed hard'"
A QLD school who had never trained with RU rules before won the national sevens comp last year...
www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... -reyz.html
Aus Union players are a joke but the Wallabies are still the second best team in the world. Says it all really.
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| Quote: Bill Sonny "we are far too confident, things have come a long way since Wigan and Bradford played in the middlesex 7s, I think any RL league all-star 7 teams playing a specialised rugby union 7's team would get absolutely bummed hard'"
Nice.
Why would they though, and would this happen before or after the game?
How do you think it would affect the play?
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| Quote: Beverley red " We have to stop the propaganda machine of Union grabing the name & all things Rugby.'"
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what are the RFL doing about this? it will come to pass that soon the Rugby Union will be known as Rugby the world over except for little enclaves in the North of England and the Australian Eastern seaboard.....
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| Quote: Lockyer4President! "A QLD school who had never trained with RU rules before won the national sevens comp last year...
Nearly 3 years ago you mean
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| Quote: dubairl "i am sure its a different governing body, and its not as if the england 7's team is the union version of england knights. its a totally different set of players i think.'"
Union have (I believe) a group of players contracted to the RFU purely as 7's players, a bit like the central contracts for the England RU side or the cricket.
Tom Biggs used to play in the 7's side (and now plays premiership rugby) and travelled the world as a professional 7's player, playing against developing nations and helping spread the game.
Union also employed someone full-time who's job was purely to get 7's into the Olympics. This individual I beleive had some very good contacts within sports governing bodies around the world - and it worked.
Let's be fair, Union have put in ALL the effort into getting 7's into the Olympics, why should they pick RL players or let RL steal the limelight?
Also, don't expect RL players to do what Bradford did 15 years ago should they play 7's again. It's moved on along way since then (7's not Union).
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| Quote: Bullpower2012 "this
what are the RFL doing about this? it will come to pass that soon the Rugby Union will be known as Rugby the world over except for little enclaves in the North of England and the Australian Eastern seaboard.....'"
I know! It's as if the RFL only represent less than half of a small sport in a small country and don't run the major media outlets across the world! Come on RFL! Pull your finger out and do something!!!! Won't somebody please think of the children! [size(except Jimmy Savile)[/size
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| Bill Sonny wrote:we are far too confident, things have come a long way since Wigan and Bradford played in the middlesex 7s, I think any RL league all-star 7 teams playing a specialised rugby union 7's team would get absolutely bummed hard
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I don't think people have realised how much Sevens has progressed and how specialised it now is. Most nations have truly professional outfits that take their Sevens teams very seriously.
These aren't the slow, non-athletic bumbling fools that Wigan and Bradford beat all those years ago.
You'd have to have something special, like Tomkins, to get in. Now if we were talking about Australia, then I think they have the League crop to really make a case for practically displacing their current Sevens team. But we don't have the same talent, and we have a better Sevens team (imo, I guess)
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| Quote: Lockyer4President! "A QLD school who had never trained with RU rules before won the national sevens comp last year...
Date of article April 1st
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| Quote: r a n c i d "Bill Sonny wrote
Sorry, but all this fawning over Union 7s is pathetic.
Yes, RU has moved on since Wigan humiliated English RU back in 1996. Their players are bigger, more powerful, and more athletic than they were. But so are RL players. Today's RL lads are more solidly muscled, faster and more powerful than even that Wigan side, and I dare say still fitter than RU lads purely due to the more demanding and involving nature of RL and the conditioning required to cope with those demands.
There are differences between the codes. RU players tend to carry more muscle to allow them to deal with the 20+ stone, 6'10" forwards and the nature of rucks & mauls, whereas RL lads are built for explosive power and and pace, and tend to be much more lean. And if you've ever seen a RU player at RL, or vice versa, you'll know there are huge differences in the very way they take the ball in and work the impact. RU players look for the floor, RL players look to bust the tackle or find the offload. It's not as simple as "RU players have moved on, they're better".
I watch RU 7s quite regularly and I see nothing outstanding. Good athletes, yes, but nothing all that amazing, and nothing you don't see in a decent game of League: broken field running, stepping defenders, running lines, working the defence to build overlaps. Some of the skills on show are great, some are terrible.
We all know Tomkins would do well. But don't disregard the other outstanding athletes we have within our ranks. They might be several pounds lighter man for man, but in 7s your agility, fitness, explosive pace and ability to work a gap is what matters - and man for man RL lads have far more skill and knowledge to do that.
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