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| Quote: retro_muz "Leeds Rhinos works for me but the badge is terrible.
Wakefield Trinity sounds good and the name is associated with Rugby League. The whole wildcat package is a poor one.
Wigan - OK but the mascot looks like an idiot.
Huddersfield - Same as Wigan.
I don't like Saints new badge
Catalan Dragons and the Bradford Bulls have the best 'new era' names & badges.
IMO'"
What gets me is why animals were chosen as brand names. There was nothing wrong with Trinity for Wakefield and Hull Kingston Rovers had a good sound to it.
In Widnes, Warrington will always be "Wire" no matter what they call themselves.
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| On a different note, it's interesting that on April 1st 1974 a government spokesman once said about the county boundary changes that "The new county boundaries are administrative areas, and will not alter the traditional boundaries of counties, nor is it intended that the loyalties of people living in them will change despite the different names adopted by the new administrative counties." 38 years since it is quite clear, that the [inames of things[/i in an official capacity does ultimately lead to the dilution of former names, and modes of being, no matter how much the generation affected prattles on about them being otherwise. You will ultimately get to a point where the name "Wire" will be as antiquated as sixpence, and codpiece to the successive unaffected generations.
And whilst we're at it, the ITV Quiz Show "The Chase" had a question, "Which Rugby League team plays at the Gratton Stadium?". Enough said.
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| Quote: broken time payments "In 1895, a schism in Rugby football resulted in the formation of the Northern Rugby Football Union (NRFU).[10] Although many factors played a part in the split, including the success of working class northern teams, the main division was caused by the RFU decision to enforce the amateur principle of the sport, preventing "broken time payments" to players who had taken time off work to play rugby. Northern teams typically had more working class players (coal miners, mill workers etc.) who could not afford to play without this compensation, in contrast to affluent southern teams who had other sources of income to sustain the amateur principle. There were similar movements in other countries. In 1895 a decree by the RFU banning the playing of rugby at grounds where entrance fees were charged led to the famous meeting on 29 August 1895. Twenty-two clubs (plus Stockport who negotiated by telephone) met at the George Hotel, Huddersfield in the West Riding of Yorkshire and formed the "Northern Rugby Football Union".[11] Within fifteen years of that first meeting in Huddersfield, more than 200 RFU clubs had left to join the rugby revolution.'"
And thus in 1895 RFL became a sport that would not sit on its merits, but would embrace change and move with the time.
If you dont like change then i suggest watching the onions
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| Quote: binks "And thus in 1895 RFL became a sport that would not sit on its merits, but would embrace change and move with the time.
If you dont like change then i suggest watching the onions'"
I agree. It's not 1996 anymore, and we're not American or Australian. So, bye bye Wildcats? No. Ridiculous excuse.
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| Quote: RL13 "I agree. It's not 1996 anymore, and we're not American or Australian. So, bye bye Wildcats? No. Ridiculous excuse.'"
Its up to the club and there fans, As Bren2k says his Kids identify with Wildcats so why change it? Im a Cas fan and love "Tigers" my kids ref to going to a match as "going to watch the Tigers play" cant see them buying back into the "Glassblowers"
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| Quote: binks "Its up to the club and there fans, As Bren2k says his Kids identify with Wildcats so why change it? Im a Cas fan and love "Tigers" my kids ref to going to a match as "going to watch the Tigers play" cant see them buying back into the "Glassblowers"'"
I think I have the wrong sport. Where is the Rugby League for adults?
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| Quote: RL13 "I think I have the wrong sport. Where is the Rugby League for adults?'"
The adults are not being distracted by name calling or mascots
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| Quote: RL13 "I think I have the wrong sport. Where is the Rugby League for adults?'"
If we don't capture their interest as kids it's much harder to capture their interest when they're adults.
Kids have massive social pulls towards football and games consoles (& the nationally pushed sports of Union, cricket & tennis). If RL doesn't actively market itself to kids then there won't be any adults watching in 30 years time because they'll all be watching football, Union or cricket.
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| Quote: Him "If we don't capture their interest as kids it's much harder to capture their interest when they're adults.
Kids have massive social pulls towards football and games consoles (& the nationally pushed sports of Union, cricket & tennis). If RL doesn't actively market itself to kids then there won't be any adults watching in 30 years time because they'll all be watching football, Union or cricket.'"
Psychologically speaking don't you grow-up to be embarrassed of what you enjoyed as a kid? It may have an inverse effect, where once a lad becomes a 16 years old - the little cutesy Wildcats may hold less appeal, than something which has a more grown-up sensibility. Besides, to appeal to kids, RL doesn't have to patronize them with nihilistic arbitrariness, at the expense of meaning, and the wider dignity of the sport, right?
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| Quote: RL13 "Quote: RL13 "If we don't capture their interest as kids it's much harder to capture their interest when they're adults.
Kids have massive social pulls towards football and games consoles (& the nationally pushed sports of Union, cricket & tennis). If RL doesn't actively market itself to kids then there won't be any adults watching in 30 years time because they'll all be watching football, Union or cricket.'"
Psychologically speaking don't you grow-up to be embarrassed of what you enjoyed as a kid? It may have an inverse effect, where once a lad becomes a 16 years old - the little cutesy Wildcats may hold less appeal, than something which has a more grown-up sensibility. Besides, to appeal to kids, RL doesn't have to patronize them with nihilistic arbitrariness, at the expense of meaning, and the wider dignity of the sport, right?'"
Fully agree with your view, unfortunately Wildcats is here to stay, at least for the foreseeable future. I had hoped the administration would've ridded the club of the ridiculous name, but alas its has as much staying power as the club itself!
Still for the supporters who are older than 12, the club have a perfectly good name with which to associate, Trinity. I just hope the name is not lost as the next generation refer to the club as Wakey Wildcats.
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| Quote: RL13 "Psychologically speaking don't you grow-up to be embarrassed of what you enjoyed as a kid? It may have an inverse effect, where once a lad becomes a 16 years old - the little cutesy Wildcats may hold less appeal, than something which has a more grown-up sensibility. Besides, to appeal to kids, RL doesn't have to patronize them with nihilistic arbitrariness, at the expense of meaning, and the wider dignity of the sport, right?'"
Are you suggesting RL is too soft and "cutesy" for 16 year old lads?
At 16 they're paying attention to what's on the pitch and can see the mascots etc for what they are.
If you only have the tough, on-pitch element that 16 year old will be watching Man United or England rugby union on tv instea because he'll never have been introduced to the sport.
Why do you think a friendly mascot appealing to kids is patronising to 5 or 6 year olds?
Kids aren't stupid. As they grow up they realise who and what the mascot etc is there for and transfer their attention from the mascot and kids stuff to the adult stuff on show on the pitch.
There is a big problem in RL. Far too many of us seem to assume that kids should immediately and unconditionally support or play RL regardless of other concerns or opportunities available to them. We have to provide a pathway for kids to be interested and support our game, in the same way we have to provide a pathway for kids to play the game.
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| Quote: Khlav Kalash "Fully agree with your view, unfortunately Wildcats is here to stay, at least for the foreseeable future. I had hoped the administration would've ridded the club of the ridiculous name, but alas its has as much staying power as the club itself!
Still for the supporters who are older than 12, the club have a perfectly good name with which to associate, Trinity. I just hope the name is not lost as the next generation refer to the club as Wakey Wildcats.'"
Personally, I never even say Wakey, never mind Wildcats.
But I'm old.
Wakefield Trinity ... ah yes, that's got a nice sound to it you know ... and it speaks of the origin of the club.
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| I have only ever watched my team in the Super League era and have never referred to them as 'Wolves'. I refer to them as Wire and see no reason why the 'next generation' won't either.
Given the choice though I would do away with such tacky names as Wildcats etc.
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| Why is Trinity, or Loiners, or Wires, or Pies, or Northern anymore adult than Rhinos, Wildcats, Wolves, Warriors or Bulls?
It seems some people are just hung up on old nicknames precisely because they are old. As if simply existing for a long time is a measure of quality.
There is no stasi or Gestapo demanding you use one name or the other, you can choose which ever you want, but more people choose the newer nickname because they are more relatable and clubs choose them because they are easier and better to market
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| Quote: RL13 "Psychologically speaking don't you grow-up to be embarrassed of what you enjoyed as a kid? It may have an inverse effect, where once a lad becomes a 16 years old - the little cutesy Wildcats may hold less appeal, than something which has a more grown-up sensibility.'"
The Wildcats aren't 'cutesy' - they're big 'orrible rugby players smashing the bejesus out of each other, just like they always were. An element of the brand might be, and that 16 year old lad you're talking about might just be taking his younger siblings, nieces & nephews etc to games thesedays, because the cutesy element of the brand is now doing the same job on them that it once did on him.
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