Point 1.
Widnes should be in SL in 2012.
Point 2. (directed at roofs and the monkey from widnes who jumped on his bandwagon)
I have looked hard and long at the RFL's criteria (the published ones anyway) and see not one mention of away fans. What I have seen is limits on the number of overseas players.....something one ot two teams should really be addressing.
Point 3.
Widnes [uWILL[/u be in SL in 2012....or the RFL may as well just pack up their tent....head and shoulders above the other teams named above.

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So tell me what your club offers that ours doesn't?

Badly run super league clubs are a complete farce, is yours one of them?

So you've studied the Widnes Vikings 2012 franchise bid in great detail then to come to this conclusion I take it? Because you certainly seem to be an expert on the subject.

My heart bleeds, no really it does because it's not as if Widnes have ever been in a position where our top flight status has been under threat even though we weren't in a relegation position... Yes us Widnes fans have been lording it up over recent seasons haven't we.

absolutely

widnes will be another warrington in SL

good ground, rich sugar daddy, they have history and tradition, will have good away fans.

tick, tick, tick. no other champ. side comes close to widnes.

once widnes get in SL they wont be leaving it

Id like to see Widnes in SL

Reality is there is only Widnes close to being a SL club, just expand the comp by one and bring in a bye week. As said they will be no stronger (and prob no weaker) than whoever they replace.

No brainer, Widnes and Toulouse in, Salford and Wakefield out

What that says to me then is the criteria needs changing.

If Widnes are in SL in 2012 (and if not it will be one of the biggest injustices in the history of the game IMO), I think they will probably bring at least 1000 to CP. 1000 people paying an averaging of £15, + beer, food and programme sales probably equates to around £17k or £18k (just for one league game). That is a hell of a lot more then what Quins and certain other clubs contribute to teams.

What you fail to understand is that it's not about clubs saying 'We take loads away so other teams should return the favour'. If Widnes take 1000 fans to several away games (and I would have thought for games at Wigan, Saints, Wire and possibly Salford it will be significantly more), that means on that particular day a strong number of people from Widnes are spending their cash on British RL. They are essentially investing in the game, something clubs like Quins and Crusaders do not have (although Crusaders do deserve credit for the excellent backing they took to Huddersfield in the Play-Offs).

Bascially Widnes in SL will contribute more to British RL as a whole through better home attendances then many SL clubs (inc yours by a big margin), and taking more away then many teams. Widnes in NL1 brought a hell of a lot more then Broncos did for a big Cup games years ago (the year you got to Wembley).

IMO Widnes in SL will be good for the competition - the three afforementioned clubs will have strong crowds against them for a start, + I would expect Widnes to take loads to Crusaders been only 30-35 miles apart. It's win-win IMO.

Your sham of a club was 100% dependent on overseas players for a number of years - don't be so f'ing hypocritical.



Like I've said before, your youth policy has been forced, not chosen.

Hasn't everyone's youth policy been forced, not chosen, in some way or another?

The Monkey?

At what point did I mention that was in the RFL's criteria ya yorkshire pud. We were talking about what we have to offer that some SL teams don't