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Quote: freddies wig "I meant the embarrassment the RFLP should have suffered over wakey and crusaders, but if you have to explain it ..,....'"


Methinks it is YOU who need to learn how to read. And it is YOU to whom it needs to be explained.

And you who look to the whole world to be a tìt.

After all, only a total and utter tìt would state something stupid, then try and ridicule his opposite for pointing out his stupidity, then realise in fact his opposite was correct and he HAD stated something stupid, and try and get out of it by saying what he says he REALLY meant as if it was the other one's fault not to have understood that what he SAID was not at all what he meant. And make himself look an even bigger tìt in so doing.

But I guess we have to make allowances for him being bitter, twisted - and stupid. Just like old times with our friends from down the road, in fact. His real issue of course is that the RFL told his club their SL application did not cut it.

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Quote me two things:

1. Where I said bulls were in administration
2. Where I said anything has anything to do with Halifax?

Keep chasing that tail. Bull power

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To add to all of this; There's a fax fan on twitter saying that a member of the Halifax board told him that Halifax were put on notice 3 weeks ago that they would be entering super league due to a big name super league club going into Administration.

icon_lol.gif Oh dear, the conspiracy theorists aren't half enjoying themselves..

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Quote: Adeybull "Mess? Not from where I am sitting.

(I wonder how many times I have said the next bit?)

Because the Bulls would have to move out of Odsal to have a long-term future, following the collapse of the OSV project through lack of funding. The directors (if I understand it correctly) dared not gamble on staying put, because a large unexpected bill could finish the club. Because, while they are adamant there was no requirement for immediate funding, a large cost could arise at any time and the club was living hand to mouth with no reserves.

But, in the present economic climate, the only option that appeared to be available was to move in at Valley Parade. But the only option for that that seemed to be on the table was to allow the club to be acquired by a predator, one of whom at least made it pretty clear they only wanted Odsal and saw it as doing the Bulls a favour. They could see the Bulls dilemma, and sought to take advantage of it.

Had there been a sugar daddy on the horizon, no problem. Had the previous Bradford City rescue fiasco not put paid forever to the hopes of a retail component at Odsal, probably no problem. Don't even get me started on just how badly the Bulls were shafted by the council then.

But no such hopes. So the board - and the supportive shareholders, who were most of the big ones - were looking at a continuing grind into mediocrity with little prospect of a happy ending.

What was the open market value of the club? To a third party looking at a commercial proposition? Like most RL clubs, zero. In the short term, you are looking at putting money IN not at getting a return from whatever you paid for the shares. Why would a predator offer money for the shares, knowing that there appeared to be no-one else seemingly prepared to buy them (or that the main shareholders would sell to) but that the shareholders would probably have to sell to preserve the club's long-term future?

But Bulls were in a unique situation - both as regards the threats and as regards the opportunities. And the solution that has been achieved reflects both, as far as I can see.'"


Still don't follow why you'd sell shares for a pittance when they help a predator unlock the land value of Odsal, which would in strategic and possibly cash terms be worth a lot to the predator.

I'm also still struggling with the proposition that the shareholders would have had to sell to the predator because the club didn't have the cash to meet unexpected shocks. We are almost in Donald Rumsfeld-esque unknown unknowns territory here, its all a bit vague and conspiratorial. Surely it would be better to hang on to the shares and try to improve the finances to meet whatever might happen than throw the towel in. (This is only a rugby club and a rugby stadium we are talking about, surely some financial planning is possible, rather than simply sitting on your hands waiting for some unexpected event (!) to happen).

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Quote: Paul124897 "To add to all of this; There's a fax fan on twitter saying that a member of the Halifax board told him that Halifax were put on notice 3 weeks ago that they would be entering super league due to a big name super league club going into Administration.


Why Halifax when featherstone deserve it more?

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Quote: freddies wig "Chomp!

T!t'"


So me responding to you being an idiot by calling you an idiot is a bite? Riiiiiiight.

Well done you.

And no, you didn't say the Bulls have been or were going to be in administration. However, the context of your comment implies you mean Bradford and your subsequent quibbling over the semantics of what you said just show you up as a troll.

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Quote: Paul124897 "To add to all of this; There's a fax fan on twitter saying that a member of the Halifax board told him that Halifax were put on notice 3 weeks ago that they would be entering super league due to a big name super league club going into Administration.

Think they've made same assumption as dozey Parker in sun. Rumours of a big name in trouble + odsal deal announcement= must be Bradford in trouble.

If rumour circulating at weekend has any legs they need to be looking a lot further east for the club in trouble.

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OK christ, look.

The RFL have done a property deal. They've paid market value and when they sell it on, it will be for market value with hopefully a bit of profit in it.

That's good for the game, simply.

It's a nothing story.

If the RFL wanted a national RL stadium, it would be brand new and it would not be in somewhere like Bradford. You can't have a national anything in Bradford for Christ's sake.

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Quote: ROBINSON "If the RFL wanted a national RL stadium, it would be brand new and it would not be in somewhere like Bradford. You can't have a national anything in Bradford for Christ's sake.'"

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Quote: mat "Think they've made same assumption as dozey Parker in sun. Rumours of a big name in trouble + odsal deal announcement
I've never quite worked out whether twitter or the North Korean Press Agency is more reliable.

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rubbish to all this papering over the cracks, the fact remains that Bradford are not going to lose their franchise because the RFL have a special interest in them, their stadium is awful but this doesn't matter anymore. I think you can look at this from every angle possible and try ad justify this and that, but it remains that Bradford are tenants to the RFL.

We can have our opinions on whether Bradford were bailed out or not, but that isn't what interests me, it's the franchise bit.

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Bulls should move the games against Wakefield to Bradford City. See if they keep moaning when they have to put up with the small pitch and awful stand behind the sticks.

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Quote: dids858 "Bulls should move the games against Wakefield to Bradford City. See if they keep moaning when they have to put up with the small pitch and awful stand behind the sticks.'"


I'll gamble that the B.C. pitch is flat, all the way into the corners icon_wink.gif

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Quote: TFC "rubbish to all this papering over the cracks, the fact remains that Bradford are not going to lose their franchise because the RFL have a special interest in them, their stadium is awful but this doesn't matter anymore. I think you can look at this from every angle possible and try ad justify this and that, but it remains that Bradford are tenants to the RFL.

We can have our opinions on whether Bradford were bailed out or not, but that isn't what interests me, it's the franchise bit.'"


Could you not approach this situation from the polar opposite and say it is more likely that the Bulls won't get a license as the RFL can then cash in on the long lease when the Bulls fold?

I think both extremes are nonsense by the way and the reality is far more mundane and straight forward.

Besides, as if the Bulls would lose their license when they can sell 10,000+ season tickets. It's pie in the sky silliness.

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Quote: FearTheVee "Could you not approach this situation from the polar opposite and say it is more likely that the Bulls won't get a license as the RFL can then cash in on the long lease when the Bulls fold?'"


Because we all know that is not the case, if people want to play devils advocate just to make a point then fine, but the rest of us will carry on living in the real world. Obviously this doesn't apply to yourself as you go on to mention...

Quote: FearTheVee "I think both extremes are nonsense by the way and the reality is far more mundane and straight forward.'"


You go on to mention season tickets...

Quote: FearTheVee "Besides, as if the Bulls would lose their license when they can sell 10,000+ season tickets. It's pie in the sky silliness.'"


For me this is not the point (even though the Bulls are skint despite selling a bucket load of cut price season tickets). It's the fact that the RFL by doing this have now got a financial investment in Odsal, and as such Bradford Bulls, they are no longer seen as impartial. How am I supposed to believe in the franchise system and the RFL (I had little faith before) when the RFL have done a deal to help a club (not just Bradford) and leave others to their own devices.

I understand the RFL objectives very well, they want a high profile league for larger TV deals and better sponsorship, more money ect. However their methods in achieving these objectives are abrupt and unfair at times, especially to the bread and butter of professional sport, the supporters and the clubs on which the Northern Union was built upon.

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