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| Quote: The Publican "Has a Leigh fan I am happy with the new structure, but would have been happy with any structure that gave me a chance to see top flight RL again. But these people saying it is too complicated must be really under educated as it is quite easy to understand IMO and I'm far from a clever bloke. I will be surprised if by 2015 leigh under our new board and increased funding & salary cap are not running has a full time club along with Fev, poss Fax plus the two teams relegated this season. That could potentially mean the middle 8 in 2015 after the split would mean 8 full time teams battling it out for 4 SL places in 2016.'"
its understandable its just complicated way to get to the end product. it would of been a lot easier just to say the bottom 2 clubs after 23 rounds will the go into a play off with the championship clubs the only reason they haven't done that is to make the championship clubs feel more attention by calling them super league 2 and offering them more money that super league can't afford.
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| Just so you know you are mistaking the word:
"As" for "Has"
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| Quote: saintcj "Just so you know you are mistaking the word
Like I said in my post I am far from a clever bloke but I still understand the new structure & how it will work lol
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| Quote: dubairl "yeah leigh "had all that sky money" nothing come of it.'"
what a truly idiotic comment, comparing one year of Sky funding for Leigh with more than a decade for Bradford.
Leigh also did not make a loss in that season, added to the fact that due to timing of seasons we had to feed on scraps in terms of player signings. Bradford meanwhile have got into financial difficulties as many times as Leigh has!
Let's see how things go when clubs like Leigh get more than a pittance for a few years in succession.
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| It really will be interesting how the better run teams in the championship do with a £900k salary cap. Can they afford it? If any can they will be right on the tails of the lower SL teams who are running at around £1.2 million. Interesting times ahead...
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| Quote: mapleyther "what a truly idiotic comment, comparing one year of Sky funding for Leigh with more than a decade for Bradford.
Leigh also did not make a loss in that season, added to the fact that due to timing of seasons we had to feed on scraps in terms of player signings. Bradford meanwhile have got into financial difficulties as many times as Leigh has!
Let's see how things go when clubs like Leigh get more than a pittance for a few years in succession.'"
and how is it going to be different this time? do they have relegation dispensation? yeah truly idiotic was your response. the difference between bradford and leigh is night and day. biggest difference is fan base. how long till these clubs start moaning about salary cap? or how is it fair they have to compete against teams with a lot more funding, my guess two years tops.
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| Some desperate arguements in the first few hours as you get with any change. But more reasonable minds coming to the fore.
I'm behind it but I can see issues. The day the rfl give special dispensations any system looses credibility.
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| Quote: Saint Simon "It really will be interesting how the better run teams in the championship do with a £900k salary cap. Can they afford it? If any can they will be right on the tails of the lower SL teams who are running at around £1.2 million. Interesting times ahead...'"
Indeed. It's almost a shame that the cap isn't being planned to bring this even closer. The recommendations so far basically amount to
SL: Highest paid home-grown (assuming over £100k) unlimited, £1.725m for the next 24 players.
Tier2: Highest paid home-grown (assuming over £40k) unlimited, £860k for the next 24(?) players.
With a few more dispensations or something to promote squad building that is useful (home-grown etc), lower tier sides run well could be very close indeed to the bottom of SL run less well. Sadly though, if the flexibility only applies to players that take a long time to develop, it still acts as a bit of a block on any financial backers just buying their way up to the top quickly. If they want to do it, they have to invest long term which can be off-putting.
Imo we should be encouraging people to splash their cash in the game quickly (without just directing such money into inflating wages of existing players as in football). The obvious way to do this is to soften the cap and bring in luxury taxes on player spending above the threshold, and then to reinvest anything made from these into the sport.
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| Quote: bewareshadows "Some desperate arguements in the first few hours as you get with any change. But more reasonable minds coming to the fore.
I'm behind it but I can see issues. The day the rfl give special dispensations any system looses credibility.'"
Completely agree,the same goes for over generous parachute payments which will just give you an uneven league again
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| Quote: Saint Simon "It really will be interesting how the better run teams in the championship do with a £900k salary cap. Can they afford it? If any can they will be right on the tails of the lower SL teams who are running at around £1.2 million. Interesting times ahead...'"
I think people haven't considered that along with an elite group of SL clubs there is also a small elite group of championship clubs. Namely Leigh, Halifax and Featherstone.
I thinks its pretty certain that most championship sides, and I include Sheffield in that, will be unable to increase their spend on players. The three aforementioned clubs do probably possess the means to spend slightly more than the current £300k cap and remain financially viable.
It will therefore be interesting to see which clubs will go for SL, and which will instead take the middle route option of spending extra on players to guarantee a top 4 championship finish, and therefore gain access to the playoff series without having any real ambition of getting into SL itself.
By finding the right balance the likes of Leigh could give themselves a nice financial boost via the playoff series, without ever having to achieve the millstone of SL status. Their loyal band of fans could be kept brainwashed with the illusion that one day they may achieve the SL dream.
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| Quote: Bovrick "Indeed. It's almost a shame that the cap isn't being planned to bring this even closer. The recommendations so far basically amount to
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The home grown player is capped to 100k regardless of how many players there are at the club.
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In Tier 1, the current Elite Squad Representative Dispensation Allowance is removed, to be replaced by regulation that limits the Salary Cap Value of a Club Trained Player at a nominal value of £100k (i.e. for any Club Trained Player with a Salary Cap Value of over £100k, his Salary Cap Value will be assessed at £100k only with any additional wage not included in his salary cap value). This would reward clubs for producing elite talent and give them an opportunity to retain this talent in the face of competition from other sports and competitions.
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Also suggesting we should encourage short term fantasy spending over long term investment is silly. The last thing this sport needs is a couple of people to come in throw their cash around and leave again. Imagine the state Salford would be in koukash left now.
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| Sadly, clubs are cynical and for the bottom 4 clubs it will all be about preserving SL status. So what happens in this scenario?
A SL club can't get out of the bottom 4 places with 5 games to go
No SL points are carried into the middle 8 section
The whole purpose of the season is to finish in the top 4 of the middle 8
This being the case, as a SL coach, I can pretty much throw the academy/squad members in until the end of the season as the games mean nothing. My top players could lay on a beach for a fortnight ready for the middle 8 games.
When we've won 4 of 7 of the first middle 8 games (thus securing top 4 and SL status for next year) I can then throw the kids back in for the last 3. The play-offs mean nothing.
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| Quote: dubairl "and how is it going to be different this time? do they have relegation dispensation? yeah truly idiotic was your response. the difference between bradford and leigh is night and day. biggest difference is fan base. how long till these clubs start moaning about salary cap? or how is it fair they have to compete against teams with a lot more funding, my guess two years tops.'"
Yea Bradford have a bigger fan base, but only because of there consecutive years in SL, if they had been in Leigh's position ( or fax, Fev etc ) with no prospect of getting out if the championship where do you think their crowds would be at ??? Plus why the obsession with fan base if a club wants to play in SL then allow them too it's everyone's dream to see there side play in the elite league in that sport even if only for 1 season.
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| Quote: The Publican "Like I said in my post I am far from a clever bloke
Good, you can explain it to me then.
Purely theoretically, say the bottom four clubs in SL are Cas, Bradford, Widnes & Catalan and the top four Championship clubs are Fev, Fax, Sheffield & Batley.
Presumably each team will play the others once, with the Championship sides playing four of their seven games at home.
Will the Championship sides play at home against two S.L sides & two against two Championship sides?
Who will the S.L sides play their home games against?
I’m sure there's someone at Red Hall frantically throwing an excel spreadsheet together as we speak, but with an odd number of matches it’s open to criticism.
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| Quote: dubairl "and how is it going to be different this time? do they have relegation dispensation? yeah truly idiotic was your response. the difference between bradford and leigh is night and day. biggest difference is fan base. how long till these clubs start moaning about salary cap? or how is it fair they have to compete against teams with a lot more funding, my guess two years tops.'"
Not idiotic at all. The biggest difference between Leigh and Bradford in terms of playing strength is quite simply well over a decade of Sky money. Bradford have squandered the money and won nothing for many a year - they are going backwards in all areas. Naturally they have a bigger fan base than Leigh (they have a much bigger catchment area for starters), but they have a bigger fan base than the likes of Wakefield, Cas, Salford, London, Hudds and probably one or two others - so what?
If they have more fans they will be able to generate more income off of them....it doesn't give them the right to a guaranteed fixed Sky handout every year - they will get it if they earn it on the pitch.
Leigh will at least have a more level playing field than has been the case for a long time. We'll see how we go...no doubt that most of the time the SL clubs will emerge from that middle 8 and back into the top 12, but every once in a while they won't, especially if they run into financial problems. There is now a trapdoor that is slightly ajar. I think that has to be a good thing.
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