10 actually lol we currently have 9 Get your facts right you tool

OK Take one of your points:

It is made public that an overseas player will not be considered for the first team ,for nothing other than he is overseas,nothing to do with his performance(ie his work),but because the club want to "encourage him to go".He has performed well in the past but now the club want him out,so to do this the club(employer)is engineering a scenario that will lead to the player(employee) being excessively demoted(which happens to be one of the major examples of constructive dismissal.
It also come under targeting particular employees.

Go away do your homework and you will see it would almost certainly constitute constructive dismissal,but im not going to continue to try and educate you.

Like i said - hairbrain schemes with no thought for the implications.

We are developing players in the academy and some look like they could go all the way in super league.


Frank is a player with talent and will be a good signing in the long run. I could understand if it was someone coming to the end of their career who was a reserve grader but Frank is young and will go a long way in the game if he keep up with how he is going IMO

Yes and in the past you've also finished bottom of superleague more times than Wakey, signed a number of players from us, our conditioner and our academy coach.

You have been in superleague for a similar period of time to Wakey and your junior development over the period has produced nowhere near the numer of players plying their trade in superleague, yet you have had the benefit of a top class facility and a wealthy backer.

A question for Mardsden Giant..... When the Carney signing fell through why was your club trying to re-sign Brad Drew, surely they should have given the opportunity to a young British player ?

Have Wakey not signed players from us? Have Wakey not recruited coaches that have been with us?

It would be interesting to see how many players each club has produced that are in SL now and I suspect that Wakey will have currently more. Expect that to drastically change in the next 5-6 years. It might also be prudent to expect Wakefield to be in the tier below in that timescale too, it will lessen the blow (for you) when it happens.

We're improving all the time in all areas. We have been consistently growing as a club for 5-6 years now so the old lines about mergers, finishing bottom and fans getting in for free are all you have to hold on to. But it's not about us, it's about your club not developing as shown by your over reliance on overseas players. But that doesn't matter to me, you sign who you want. It will matter to the people who decide on franchises though, as will the stadium plans etc etc etc.

Danril you may well be right, only time will tell. My point was that over a similar length of time to Wakey, despite having the benefits of a top class facility and a wealthy backer your player development has been poor compared to that of Wakey, who in a similar period had 2 years with no SL money and nearly went into a CVA. Consequently, it seems a bit rich that people are having a go at our player development, when a club in a much better position than us to put in place the right structures have failed to do so until recently, and even then half of the most promising young players you have were developed by other clubs.

Sorry did go into a CVA

Well we have gone a certain route. We got relegated and lost most of our promising kids, which left us with no talent in the particular age range at the time. This then followed on that we didn't bring lads through because we lost them and in NFP couldn't recruit them. Then we concentrated on strengthening the first team to ensure we stayed in SL. Once we did that we turned to the youth systems and over the off season gone in particular have invested heavily in that area.

We have systematically taken care of areas that needed taking care of until we find ourselves in a position where things look much rosier for us than when we beat Leigh and got promotion. It hasn't been a short journey or an easy one but we have made decent progress, especially over the last 4 years. From a 4k average when we first came back up we now average 8k. We've had some success on the field although underperformed last season. Our reserves and academy both made the plays offs last season with the reserves one game off the GF. We have amongst the fewest overseas players in the league, we have 4-5 homegrown lads getting in the first grade squad every week and 4 played against Les Cats, when only 2 overseas players played and 2 others were left out despite being fit.

Chucking mud at us is a total waste of time. We're getting better and better, all it does is show what Wakey HAVEN'T done that they perhaps should have by now. In fact, isn't that the whole point of why this thread was started, and in reality all the vitriolic retorts accusing people of just hating Wakey are attempts at deflecting away from the issue?

Some would say that was what was going on. It could certainly be interpreted that way.

There is no doubt about the fact that the Giants have improved dramatically in all areas in recent years, but then so have Wakefield.

People have criticised what Wakey have done in the past, all I have done is highlight the fact that Hudds have arguably fared worst over the same period, despite been in a seemingly better position than us to succeed.

I am not throwing mud as such, just trying put some perspective on the merits of comments made by some of your fellow Giant fans

The one area where Wakefield have not improved, and this is pretty much what the topic was started for as far as I see it, is their number of overseas players. The number of homegrown lads playing first team is no better than ours, probably worse and the number of English lads not enough.

It's not as bad as say Wigan, for whom the number of overseas players they have is criminal when you consider the talent they produce, but it is not improving and hasn't improved since Wakefield have been in SL.

That was, as I saw it, the point of this thread. As I see it a number of Wakefield fans have just gotten defensive and started chucking crap without actually responding to the issue raised. It's actually been quite funny watching this thread develop and the old, half witted, mouthy usual suspects spout the same old tired, hypocritical lines! Hull have signed Sam Moa, not good but Hull have a much better record of getting academy lads to first team and got stung by losing Crocker. We've signed Korky and that wasn't met with universal praise by any stretch, but he's 5th choice, behind 4 British players and will have to really perform to get a shirt. Winterstein will walk into the team with no first grade experience, which makes it a different situation.

As I say, sign who you want. It makes no odds to me. I just don't like people chucking sh*t at us instead of defending themselves. Trying, unsuccessfully, to do down others as a way of making yourself look less culpable to the charge is no decent defence. Especially when the mud being slung is completely factually inaccurate.

It's a vicous cycle this. Wakey fans think we have it in for them. ATEOTD though it only seems to be Wakey fans that hang on (for grim death) to the merger, finishing bottom etc. Claims we have no fans when our crowds are well above Wakey's. It's laughable. No doubt we'll soon get some jibe about away support cropping up. Bring it on, and bring the evidence with you, whilst you're at it ladies! You want to have a go at someone for no relegation & mergers then have a go at the RFL. Those things damaged us but we got through them and have come back stronger. Yet ridiculously people try and insinuate we actually wanted to not be relegated or that we instigated the merger. Totally bonkers and the idiots that post such bile are just retarded. You want to sit in judgement, make sure your own house is in order first. Our house is in order, and all the mudslinging in the world can't alter that fact. So better to face up to the things you need to get sorted and sort them like we have.

Darnil almost feel sorry for you.

No one is saying clubs should not have overseas players. I never have so your q is redundant.

We have many fewer overseas players than you. you have opted to sign a reserve grade player from oz.

Since promotion in 2003 we have brought down the no' of overseas players while managing a 5th finish and a CCFinal (and a semi). If we signed an Oz reserve grader I would be disgusted.