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"The Golden Generation finally has its Golden Fleece! They have Wembley Cup Final winners medals to add to their collection." 23/08/2014:



Quote: RLRealist "Possibly. Dare to provide an answer?'"


You haven’t asked a question.

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Quote: Clearwing "Not exactly a fear of expansion but I do worry where the players in an expanded league will come from.

It's analogous to the standard of trolling on here. Once, there was only the occasional troll who had the pick of the best topics and whose material tended to be refreshing and novel. There were many biters.
Now, the troll number (or perhaps their aliases) has increased but the available subject matter has not. This means that the new kids on the block, akin to the Toulouses and Torontos of this world, are of a relatively weak standard compared to the leaders in their field. In itself, this wouldn't be a bad thing but the sad fact of the matter is that their efforts now actually undermine the efforts of their betters resulting in a drop off in standards right across the board.'"


Post of the year - chapeau!

And it's nice to see finally see some proper moderation of this kind of bilge - thank you Mild Rover.

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Quote: Clearwing "Not exactly a fear of expansion but I do worry where the players in an expanded league will come from.

It's analogous to the standard of trolling on here. Once, there was only the occasional troll who had the pick of the best topics and whose material tended to be refreshing and novel. There were many biters.
Now, the troll number (or perhaps their aliases) has increased but the available subject matter has not. This means that the new kids on the block, akin to the Toulouses and Torontos of this world, are of a relatively weak standard compared to the leaders in their field. In itself, this wouldn't be a bad thing but the sad fact of the matter is that their efforts now actually undermine the efforts of their betters resulting in a drop off in standards right across the board.'"



All depends how you define 'trolling'. There are many a bigot who calls somebody a bigot, likewise with the overuse of the same card, trolling. Many respondents to a suspected troll could also be trolling themselves therefore totally blind to their demeaners and accusational slur.

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So, do you lot still think Toronto will take the game away from you?

I read an awful lot of negative comments, most unfounded demeaning TWP yet fail to provide any substantial evidence that, that is the case.
As I wrote in my original post, there were pioneers who took the code to NSW and dramatically enabled the NSWRFU to switch to NU overnight and succeeded very well! Did anyone cry back then from the grim alleyways of Lancashire and Yorkshire?

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: RLRealist "I read an awful lot of negative comments, most unfounded demeaning TWP yet fail to provide any substantial evidence that, that is the case.'"

Toronto owe money to their kit supplier..... This is a fact.
Toronto have not delivered a cent in TV revenue or sponsorship to the game.... That is a fact
Toronto is a side made up of journeymen anzacs and northern bits with a token Canadian in their aqua. This is also a fact.
Toronto whined like bitches when they were told they wouldn't get their games. Scheduled the way the wanted..... This is Another fact

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: RLRealist "I read an awful lot of negative comments, most unfounded demeaning TWP yet fail to provide any substantial evidence that, that is the case.'"

Toronto owe money to their kit supplier..... This is a fact.
Toronto have not delivered a cent in TV revenue or sponsorship to the game.... That is a fact
Toronto is a side made up of journeymen anzacs and northern brits with a token Canadian in their squad. This is also a fact.
Toronto whined like bitches when they were told they wouldn't get their games. Scheduled the way the wanted..... This is Another fact

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Quote: RLRealist "So, do you lot still think Toronto will take the game away from you?

I read an awful lot of negative comments, most unfounded demeaning TWP yet fail to provide any substantial evidence that, that is the case.
As I wrote in my original post, there were pioneers who took the code to NSW and dramatically enabled the NSWRFU to switch to NU overnight and succeeded very well! Did anyone cry back then from the grim alleyways of Lancashire and Yorkshire?'"


Original post deleted - many warnings issued - posts exactly the same thing as a reply later in the thread.

This is not just any old troll - it's a very determined one.

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We all know that we have an image problem that holds us back. If you look at EuroSport you will also see a fair number of unfashionable or minor events which year in year out have high profile sponsors. I do not know what Longines watches (a Swatch brand) will pay to be associated with the regional final of Basque Pelota or Provencale Petanque but I imagine that the offer of a weekend in Aix holds more attractions than Wigan or St Helens. Here is an idea, what about a made for television event like a sevens competition mid season in a location overlooking the Med with UK and European teams sold for all it is worth. Union manages to sell the whole world sevens circus without distracting the big players from their major competitions. Of course if we tried we would probably announce it without a headline sponsor or tv deal and then dump the idea after one season. One last point, this concept is not new. Clubs in England and France already run similar so we know that the logistics work. The important point is to get a high calibre headline sponsor and a tv friendly format and a bit of glamour. a046.gif

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[quote:18jc6kzm]I wish everyone would read bramleyrhino's post two or three times just to get it through some thick skulls[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote:18jc6kzm]Mr bramleyrhino speaks a lot of sense.[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote="Jamie Jones-Buchanan":18jc6kzm]"I'd never forgive myself if a child of mine was born in Lancashire.[/quote:18jc6kzm]:1506.jpg



Quote: Levrier "We all know that we have an image problem that holds us back. If you look at EuroSport you will also see a fair number of unfashionable or minor events which year in year out have high profile sponsors. I do not know what Longines watches (a Swatch brand) will pay to be associated with the regional final of Basque Pelota or Provencale Petanque but I imagine that the offer of a weekend in Aix holds more attractions than Wigan or St Helens. Here is an idea, what about a made for television event like a sevens competition mid season in a location overlooking the Med with UK and European teams sold for all it is worth. Union manages to sell the whole world sevens circus without distracting the big players from their major competitions. Of course if we tried we would probably announce it without a headline sponsor or tv deal and then dump the idea after one season. One last point, this concept is not new. Clubs in England and France already run similar so we know that the logistics work. The important point is to get a high calibre headline sponsor and a tv friendly format and a bit of glamour.
I think Nines is a real gift-horse to be honest. We could very easily sell that as an event, highlight the skills of our flair players, and open ourselves up to audiences that may not have the interest in 80 minutes of arm-wrestling RL. If we want the sport to have more 'superstars', let's create an environment where the likes of Tomkins, Watkins, Gale, Williams and the rest can really put on a show for a young, enthusiastic crowd.

I've caught a fair bit of T20 this summer and it really is the blueprint for what we could do with a short-form event.

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And it's nice to see finally see some proper moderation of this kind of bilge - thank you Mild Rover.'"


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Quote: Levrier "We all know that we have an image problem that holds us back. If you look at EuroSport you will also see a fair number of unfashionable or minor events which year in year out have high profile sponsors. I do not know what Longines watches (a Swatch brand) will pay to be associated with the regional final of Basque Pelota or Provencale Petanque but I imagine that the offer of a weekend in Aix holds more attractions than Wigan or St Helens. Here is an idea, what about a made for television event like a sevens competition mid season in a location overlooking the Med with UK and European teams sold for all it is worth. Union manages to sell the whole world sevens circus without distracting the big players from their major competitions. Of course if we tried we would probably announce it without a headline sponsor or tv deal and then dump the idea after one season. One last point, this concept is not new. Clubs in England and France already run similar so we know that the logistics work. The important point is to get a high calibre headline sponsor and a tv friendly format and a bit of glamour. world of sport wrestling is back on ITV, but we cannot get them to even bid for RL.

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Quote: ThePrinter "Oh an original thread topic, how refreshing.'"


'"Joff" is one of the most thoughtful and sincere additions to the forum whom we have seen in years. We need more good men like him.

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Quote: bren2k "Original post deleted - many warnings issued - posts exactly the same thing as a reply later in the thread.

This is not just any old troll - it's a very determined one.'"


Many warnings really? Funny, I've not seen any. Are you a moderator here or one in training?

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Quote: rollin thunder "world of sport wrestling is back on ITV, but we cannot get them to even bid for RL.'"

That is why the RFL has a marketing department, er wait, we do have a marketing department don't we?

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