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| Quote The Clan="The Clan"Then you don't know what to look for in a Player and don't understand the concept of quality over quantity, a common mistake made by novices.'"
All that English quality over Australian quantity, eh?
Hasn't produced a series win for over four decades.
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| Player Coach | 9426 | Leigh Centurions |
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| Quote Ovavoo="Ovavoo"Might disagree with some of your selections (e.g. Lomax, Cudjoe, Yeaman) but the sentiment is spot on. Our best 17 is capable of beating the Aussies and Kiwis but not when coached by Mr Macnamara. Mind you having said that, even Tony Smith couldn't get the best out of them, nor Brian Waite.'"
Think other than Reed it's a big fight for the other centre spot between a lot of players with flaws, Yeaman, Cudjoe, J.Tomkins, Shenton, Atkins, Clubb and Ellis. |
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| Quote jonny the leyther="jonny the leyther"At least Reed and Widdop were born in England. Unlike the Aussie team of the last decade with Willie Mason, Petero Civoniceva, Antonio Kaufusi, Karmichael Hunt, Lote Tuqiri to name a few that arn't Australian.'"
Where a player was born is irrelevant.
Where the player learnt his trade and executes his trade is entirely relevant. |
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| International Board Member | 7665 | Wakefield Trinity |
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| Quote Keith Swiftcorn="Keith Swiftcorn"All that English quality over Australian quantity, eh?
Hasn't produced a series win for over four decades.
I blame it on all those missed tackles and ineffective tackles.'"
What's that got to do with the quality of Gareth Ellis?
You've lost the argument fella, give it up. |
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| Quote jonny the leyther="jonny the leyther"Think other than Reed it's a big fight for the other centre spot between a lot of players with flaws, Yeaman, Cudjoe, J.Tomkins, Shenton, Atkins, Clubb and Ellis.'"
Is this Jack Reed, the 23 year old who has only managed to play 19 first grade games of Rugby League?
Apart from the fact that he plays in the NRL, in what way is Reed better than Kallum Watkins for example who has played more first grade games despite being three years younger?
If Luke Burgess had not played in Super League, people over here would be pleading for him to play for England just because he has had some good games in the NRL |
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| Quote jonny the leyther="jonny the leyther"Think other than Reed it's a big fight for the other centre spot between a lot of players with flaws, Yeaman, Cudjoe, J.Tomkins, Shenton, Atkins, Clubb and Ellis.'"
The fact that Joel Tomkins is even mentioned as a possible candidate for England shows how poor our other options really are. He's only been playing the position full-time for 3-4 months |
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| Quote Keith Swiftcorn="Keith Swiftcorn"Where a player was born is irrelevant.
Where the player learnt his trade and executes his trade is entirely relevant.'"
How can where a players born not be relevant in International Rugby League? In fact, any international sport. |
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| Quote Dunbar="Dunbar"Is this Jack Reed, the 23 year old who has only managed to play 19 first grade games of Rugby League?
Apart from the fact that he plays in the NRL, in what way is Reed better than Kallum Watkins for example who has played more first grade games despite being three years younger?
If Luke Burgess had not played in Super League, people over here would be pleading for him to play for England just because he has had some good games in the NRL'"
Yes this s the same Jack Reed that had to publicly dismiss talk of him playing Origin RL.
Is this Kallum Watkins, the 20 year old who has only managed to play 33 first grade games of Rugby League? |
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| Quote jonny the leyther="jonny the leyther"Yes this s the same Jack Reed that had to publicly dismiss talk of him playing Origin RL.
Is this Kallum Watkins, the 20 year old who has only managed to play 33 first grade games of Rugby League?'"
Yes... a 20 year old who has played 33 first grade games and had a whole season lost through serious injury
Why has Reed only played 19 first grade games at 23 years old?
Reed may well be a great player in the making but let’s not judge that exclusively by the league he plays in |
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| Quote Dunbar="Dunbar"Yes... a 20 year old who has played 33 first grade games and had a whole season lost through serious injury
Why has Reed only played 19 first grade games at 23 years old?
Reed may well be a great player in the making but let’s not judge that exclusively by the league he plays in'"
On form i'd say Reed is one of the best 5 or 6 centres in the NRL, the best club competition around.
Callum Watkins has got potential, but he's nowhere near one of the best few centres in SL at the moment. |
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| Quote jonny the leyther="jonny the leyther"On form i'd say Reed is one of the best 5 or 6 centres in the NRL, the best club competition around.
Callum Watkins has got potential, but he's nowhere near one of the best few centres in SL at the moment.'"
I'm not really sure that we can say when Reed is on form or not after playimg just 19 games, never mid have enough information to rank him in the top x centres
Yes, the NRL is the strongest club competition in the world of Rugby League but this is the problem – let’s not assume that every player who plays in that league is world class because they simply aren’t |
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