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Quote: Adamjk "
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You could argue that if the tackle was complete then it should have been a penalty to Wakefield because the Celtic player continued to drag him back towards the in-goal area resulting in the knock-on...

In all honesty though, the referee should have played the advantage and given the try, I don't see how you can argue it any other way'"
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Quite simple - tackle deemed complete -- the ball is dead , no advantage can be played,after a tackle is made the ball has to be brought back into play(by playing the ball).

100%correct decision.

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Quite simple - tackle deemed complete -- the ball is dead , no advantage can be played,after a tackle is made the ball has to be brought back into play(by playing the ball).

100%correct decision.'"
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As I already said though, if we're saying the tackle was complete then how was it not a penalty? The Celtic player continued to drag the Wakefield player back and he lost the ball in the process. If it was already complete then he should have been penalised for not releasing the player/ interference at the play the ball then shouldn't he?

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Could anybody clear up the defused bomb, or not? As somebody else mentioned contradicting decisions seemed to be given in the 2 games, anybody know for sure?

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Quote: Adamjk "
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As I already said though, if we're saying the tackle was complete then how was it not a penalty? The Celtic player continued to drag the Wakefield player back and he lost the ball in the process. If it was already complete then he should have been penalised for not releasing the player/ interference at the play the ball then shouldn't he?'"
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Thats a fair comment,but in Aliberts opinion,Blaymire lost the ball after the tackle was completed.He could have ruled a penalty to Wakefield,if he deemed the Celtic player hadnt released Blaymire and continued to affect the tackle even though it was already complete.
However, the one thing he couldnt do, was play on.

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Quote: TURFEDOUT "Thats a fair comment,but in Aliberts opinion,Blaymire lost the ball after the tackle was completed.He could have ruled a penalty to Wakefield,if he deemed the Celtic player hadnt released Blaymire and continued to affect the tackle even though it was already complete.
However, the one thing he couldnt do, was play on.'"

You can knock on after a tackle is complete and before playing the ball. It still counts as a knock on. Blaymire voluntarily released the ball after the tackle, making it a knock on. Alibert even awarded the scrum to Celtic.

It should have been play on and the try given.

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Quote: Kosh "You can knock on after a tackle is complete and before playing the ball. It still counts as a knock on. Blaymire voluntarily released the ball after the tackle, making it a knock on. Alibert even awarded the scrum to Celtic.

It should have been play on and the try given.'"


Sorry,but youre wrong - below is from the rule book.

Losing possession 8.
– intentionally
– accidentally

A tackled player shall not intentionally part with the
ball other than by bringing it into play in the
prescribed manner. If, after being tackled, he
accidentally loses possession, a scrum shall be
formed except after the fifth play-the-ball.

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Summary:

1. Decisions moaned about actually spot on
2. Posters whingeing about them need to read RL Rules For Dummies, then apologise

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Quote: MrPhilb "He stopped the clock but once the hooter goes he has to call time if the ball is dead unless it's a penalty.

It was the time keepers who got it wrong'"
do the bbc have access to the official time keepers, or do they use there own?
who does the ref go off, the official ones or the bbc one's?


just because bbc said they was 5 seconds left, that doesn't mean they was on the official one when he sticks his hand in the air

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Quote: MHL "do the bbc have access to the official time keepers, or do they use there own?
who does the ref go off, the official ones or the bbc one's?


just because bbc said they was 5 seconds left, that doesn't mean they was on the official one when he sticks his hand in the air'"

Think BBC's stops with the offical time, im not sure if they use their own or not.

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Quote: tim791 "Think BBC's stops with the offical time, im not sure if they use their own or not.'"
i'm sure they do try stop at the same time, but over 40 minutes with lots of stoppages, 5 seconds isn't much error range.

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Quote: TURFEDOUT "Sorry,but youre wrong - below is from the rule book.

Losing possession 8.
– intentionally
– accidentally

A tackled player shall not intentionally part with the
ball other than by bringing it into play in the
prescribed manner. If, after being tackled, he
accidentally loses possession, a scrum shall be
formed except after the fifth play-the-ball.'"

So you're saying that every time a player loses the ball following a tackle, a scrum must be called instantly? No advantage played under any conditions?

Refs have been getting it wrong for years, then.

Edit: Actually, having read the notes to the rules on losing the ball, it's not abundantly clear what should happen when the ball is released voluntarily rather than accidentally. Also, without reviewing the footage, it's not clear whether the momentum of the tackle was continuous or whether Blaymire was stopped dead and then dragged. If the former, the tackle wasn't complete until he stopped moving; if the latter, it should have been a penalty to Wakefield.

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Quote: Kosh "So you're saying that every time a player loses the ball following a tackle, a scrum must be called instantly? No advantage played under any conditions?'"


Yes - And I think you'll find that's what has happened for years.

Once the tackle is complete, the ball is dead - recovery by the defence doesn't bring the ball back in play, the ball is still dead and can only be brought back into play by a legal play-the-ball.

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Quote: MrPhilb "He stopped the clock but once the hooter goes he has to call time if the ball is dead unless it's a penalty.

It was the time keepers who got it wrong'"


Exactly.

And lets not forget that one of those two timekeepers is a Warrington employee.

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Quote: Scooter Nik "It was the correct decision by him. He doesn't control timekeeping, the time keepers do, and AFAIK there is nothing in the rules that allows him to overrule them'"

Ref in getting it right shocker!

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Quote: TURFEDOUT "Sorry,but youre wrong - below is from the rule book.

Losing possession 8.
– intentionally
– accidentally

A tackled player shall not intentionally part with the
ball other than by bringing it into play in the
prescribed manner. If, after being tackled, he
accidentally loses possession, a scrum shall be
formed except after the fifth play-the-ball.'"

I would have thought the relevant passage would be the part about advantage played.

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