Why bitter ?

There is no doubt whatsoever that Leeds were desperately shuffling their squad to avoid the possibility of the MPG.
It's a total cop out to sight "an administrative error", when people are employed to work on these things and this seems to indicate that the "live" cap doesn't quite work.

Of course Leeds didn't go for the Wigan style of blow the bank and then laugh as their legal team ran rings around the SL legal team and have their points deduction halved or, in the more recent case, get in the ear of Robert Elstone, who spoke up for them in advance of their hearing - something that is just wrong and in the real world would have prejudiced the case.

A £10k fine is almost a green light for other clubs to flout the rules.

Probably time to just do away with the cap and save everyone time effort and blushes.

Clearly a wider debate needs to happen regarding he cap, as i stated i am in favour of just increasing the cap with no marquee no other dispensations, and then gave a zero tolerance for breaking it.

sensible way to go

If there is effectively no punishment for breeching the cap then (a 10k fine is not any kind of punishment and it was even less for Wigan), there is no point in having it.
As for zero tolerance more like zero balls

I said when Wigan were let off for their cap breach that the only suitable deterrent is a points deduction and I'm not going to be a hypocrite and change that stance just because I'm a Leeds fan.

Deliberate or an oversight doesn't matter one bit, there's no excuse for multi-million pound organisations making an error on something so clear cut. The RFL need to grow some balls and punish the likes of Wigan and Leeds. £1 over should be punished. £50,000 over could potentially change your entire season and should be punished harshly.

Yep the biggest clubs in our game have both claimed admin errors. Either the method in which the clubs report the cap is fiendishly complicated or the clubs simply aren’t giving it enough attention. Either way it’s up to the clubs to sort out.

Or of course they’re lying and it’s deliberate. Either way a points deduction would incentivise compliance/improving the cap reporting much more than a fine.

It would, except the transgressor would lodge an appeal that would then be upheld as it'd be well nigh impossible to prove that the "negligence" was deliberate. Which is one of only two criteria needed to trigger a points deduction under current rules.

If those clubs are clever enough to do all of the other things right (apart from the current Leeds squad ), they are clever enough to be able to manage their cap spend.
It is just possible that the recent breech by Wigan was a genuine error, as we were told that this was in relation to agents fees ?

However, if I have understood the Leeds case, they went over the cap on 4 occasions ?

Every club knows that there is a supposed live cap and IF there was a points deduction that was imposed for breeching the cap, they would make absolutely certain that they didn't go over.

As things stand, EVERY club will be happy to cry "administrative error" whilst overspending, especially if their spend allowed them to either survive in SL or make the play offs.

Juat as other posters have suggested, a precedent has now been set and it will be interesting to see what happens to the next offender.

Which Wigan salary cap breach are you referring to, the 1st, 2nd or 3rd ?

This is bang on !

Factor a £10K, £20K or even £50K fine against loss of revenue if relegated. Maybe a Wigan/Saints/Leeds/Wire would lose 3K of their average attendance at circa £25 P/P × number of home games = well, quite a lot !

Don't bring Wire into this....stick to all the cheats.

Cheating is a choice not an accident !

So what have we learnt from this?

The live salary cap does not work.

Yet another club without any fear of real reprimanded is willing to cheat the system.

The Super League has built a rod for its own back and now its impotent when dealing with such breaches of the rules.

You can argue that in the recent past titles have been won and super league survival as been attained simply by cheating in full view of the Rugby League loving public. Can you ever get a more serious breach than that?

I really don't like the smell of it and you have to question how Leeds managed to skirt round this until the end of the 2019 season which only saw them safe in round 27.

What my chances of let's say a smaller club.. KR, Trinity, Giants, Salford (still a small club done well) being the first to be hit with a 4/6 point deduction?

We will have to wait n see.

Said it before, there should be a tiered system for dealing with SC breaches whereby the offending club are punished based on two factors - the extent of the breach and previous offences within he last 10 years.
Breach under 25k - 2 point deduction
Breach between 25k and 50k - 4 point deduction.
Breach between 50k and 75k - 6 point deduction.
And so in in bands of 25k - each 25k costing the club 2 more competition points.

For the second offence within a ten-year period, the penalty should be x2.
For the third offence within a ten-year period, the penalty should be x3, etc etc.

Admin error or deliberate, over the cap is over the cap. It’s given the offending club an advantage over the other clubs and should inevitably come with a penalty that goes towards rectifying this - a points deduction.