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It's not a close call. It's a clear penalty. The second Watkins lends weight to the tackle then the player is held and the tackle is complete. The defenders have to stop, in the same way as if Keinhorst's ball carrying arm had hit the ground.

There's no reason for Brough to be so outraged about a clear decision. He should be annoyed at himself and his teammates for not paying attention to what's going on.

As mentioned by others, he's a cracking player, but he shouldn't be allowed to talk to officials in that manner. The TJ shouldve had the balls to go onto the pitch and report it to Silverwood and make him punish Brough in some way. Another 10m downfield would be appropriate in my opinion.

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Nobody is disputing that Brough should be able to query decisions with the referee.

If you can't see the difference though between the way he confronted the TJ and his conversation 30 seconds later with Silverwood that was caught on ref cam, you're an idiot.

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Quote: RhinoNeil "Show me a clip where is Sinfield shouts at any official in the aggressive tantrum style of Danny Brough! Please show me!

Thats right you cannot.

Sinfield is the upmost professional, yes he questions the referee but as already aluded to, which captain doesn't?



I guess you're referring to the word 'Bent'? Which can be a homophobic terms but also can be a term for corrupt. Both are wrong, one far worse than the other. You don't know which one he meant and neither does anyone else. Im not defending him in any way what so ever, just stating facts.


Oh so players can treat him like a fu**ing dog? What planet do you live on?



I beg to differ. Thats laughable.
I'm afraid that in your haste to have a go you've completely lost your thread haven't you!

Where have I said that Sinfield shouts at the official in an aggressive tantrum?
I simply said that Rhino fans have quickly forgotten Sinfield who constantly questioned and challenged officials throughout most matches, to the point of dissent.

Yes amongst the other words used by Peacock, I am referring to that word. You'll also note I used the word "possibly"

Are you saying it's more palatable to accuse a referee of being corrupt than to suggest he's gay? Is it OK for Peacock to use the F word in such an aggressive manner that he actually spits and slavers in the direction of the referee?

Here's where you lose it a little, I'm not suggesting anything of the sort re how Hardaker gets treated, merely suggesting that Rhino fans having a go at Brough is a bit laughable considering the Leeds fullbacks atrocious record.


IMO McGuire was worse because he was after the referee constantly throughout the 80 minutes! Again where have I suggested that he had a paddy or indeed where in my post have I said Brough having a paddy is acceptable.

In relation to my sympathy, Im talking about the rules of the game not being breached and therefore IMO it's not a penalty.
Where did I say it was right for Brough to shout at the referee?

By the way I live in the real world not the blue and yellow tinted one you live in.

Now take a breath and THINK it through before responding.

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Quote: The Avenger "I'm afraid that in your haste to have a go you've completely lost your thread haven't you!

Where have I said that Sinfield shouts at the official in an aggressive tantrum?
I simply said that Rhino fans have quickly forgotten Sinfield who constantly questioned and challenged officials throughout most matches, to the point of dissent.'"


We haven't 'forgotten' that, it simply doesn't happen. What Brough did last night was dissent, what Maguire did last week was dissent, what Sinfield does is respectfully question, occasionally forcefully, but never in the same postcode as dissent.

Quote: The Avenger "Yes amongst the other words used by Peacock, I am referring to that word. You'll also note I used the word "possibly"

Are you saying it's more palatable to accuse a referee of being corrupt than to suggest he's gay? Is it OK for Peacock to use the F word in such an aggressive manner that he actually spits and slavers in the direction of the referee?'"


I don't think anyone has said that about Peacock, it seems you are saying it about Brough though...

Quote: The Avenger "Here's where you lose it a little, I'm not suggesting anything of the sort re how Hardaker gets treated, merely suggesting that Rhino fans having a go at Brough is a bit laughable considering the Leeds fullbacks atrocious record.'"


Let's have a look at that 'atrocious' record. There was that time he got done for the completely unacceptable homophobic slur, then there was that erm... that other thing he did on the pitch, you know, where he... know, can't think of anything. Must just be that one offence.


Quote: The Avenger "IMO McGuire was worse because he was after the referee constantly throughout the 80 minutes!'"


He wasn't though was he? He did ask why only one team seemed to be getting penalised, and how on earth can you give a phantom obstruction against Leeds but not see an actual Hudds one, and any captain would talk to the ref after 7 pens in 20 mins, but by any standard he was not 'constantly after' him. You may recall Brough leaping up in to the refs face after Delaney's try, demanding to know how it was allowed - does that constitute 'constantly' as well?

Quote: The Avenger " Again where have I suggested that he had a paddy or indeed where in my post have I said Brough having a paddy is acceptable.'"


You're about to imply it below. Have a read.

Quote: The Avenger "In relation to my sympathy, Im talking about the rules of the game not being breached and therefore IMO it's not a penalty.'"


The game doesn't have rules, it has laws, and you obviously don't know them. As soon as anyone moves into a position where they're pulling rather than pushing the tackle is complete (that happened) and as soon as an opposition player lends weight against the tackle it's complete (this happened as well) and as soon as the ref calls held the tackle is complete (unbelievably this also happened) so whatever way you look at it, the tackle was complete and the Hudds players took him out of bounds. Penalty all day long, every day and for every team in League. Danny Brough does know the laws, he just doesn't like them.

Quote: The Avenger "Where did I say it was right for Brough to shout at the referee?'"


It's implied by your sympathy for him but utter lack of it towards any Leeds player.

Quote: The Avenger "By the way I live in the real world not the blue and yellow tinted one you live in.'"


No you don't.

Quote: The Avenger "Now take a breath and THINK it through before responding.'"


Normally people who patronise at least try and make sure their points are correct though. Now hold your breath. Hold it. Keep holding...

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I like the idea they have in the NRL (even though they don't always stick to it) of captains only being able to speak to officials and at designated times.

We should have the same rule, and enforce it.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "you're an idiot.'"


Calm down calm down, no need to revert to insults icon_lol.gif

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Quote: loiner81 "[sizeHey Avenger[/size

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Do people still say that, how juvenile!

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Quote: Big Jim Slade "We haven't 'forgotten' that, it simply doesn't happen. What Brough did last night was dissent, what Maguire did last week was dissent, what Sinfield does is respectfully question, occasionally forcefully, but never in the same postcode as dissent.

I don't think anyone has said that about Peacock, it seems you are saying it about Brough though...

Let's have a look at that 'atrocious' record. There was that time he got done for the completely unacceptable homophobic slur, then there was that erm... that other thing he did on the pitch, you know, where he... know, can't think of anything. Must just be that one offence.


He wasn't though was he? He did ask why only one team seemed to be getting penalised, and how on earth can you give a phantom obstruction against Leeds but not see an actual Hudds one, and any captain would talk to the ref after 7 pens in 20 mins, but by any standard he was not 'constantly after' him. You may recall Brough leaping up in to the refs face after Delaney's try, demanding to know how it was allowed - does that constitute 'constantly' as well?

You're about to imply it below. Have a read.

The game doesn't have rules, it has laws, and you obviously don't know them. As soon as anyone moves into a position where they're pulling rather than pushing the tackle is complete (that happened) and as soon as an opposition player lends weight against the tackle it's complete (this happened as well) and as soon as the ref calls held the tackle is complete (unbelievably this also happened) so whatever way you look at it, the tackle was complete and the Hudds players took him out of bounds. Penalty all day long, every day and for every team in League. Danny Brough does know the laws, he just doesn't like them.

It's implied by your sympathy for him but utter lack of it towards any Leeds player.

No you don't.

Normally people who patronise at least try and make sure their points are correct though. Now hold your breath. Hold it. Keep holding...'"


Like I said it's laughable how Rhino fans see the world around them!

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Quote: The Avenger "Like I said it's laughable how Rhino fans see the world around them!'"

Oooh, you sure burned me by not being able to refute anything I've just said.

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Quote: The Avenger "Do people still say that, how juvenile!'"


Go back and read the juvenile, confused, bitter dogpoop you've written on this thread.

Then say that again.

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This is one area that I feel Union is ahead of us these days. Anyone remember the Northampton captain being sent off when he called the ref a cheat? Would any of our refs do that to McGuire, Wilkin et al? Search for Nigel Owens on YouTube, a fine example of how a referee should command respect - and get it from the players. Chris Robshaw was whinging about a decision in his ear the other week - Owens said just one word 'Christopher...' and Robshaw duly apologised (sorry sir) and walked away. Would any of the Super League captains do that?

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As much as i love broughy as a player i have to agree, his outburst at the tj was out of order and he should have been marched 10 at least! It would probably have cost us the game.. I love his passion and his enthusiasm and he wants to win and he gets frustrated but you can't rant at officials like that.

Its something that I am hating about the modern game and i want to see it clamped down on.

I realise in the heat of the moment players as well as fan lose it sometimes and emotions get the better of them.. But we managed alright for a hundred years or so..
I really really hope the powers that be put a stop to it!

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Good to see that Lineham from Hull was sinbinned for dissent tonight. Hopefully this will become the norm until it is eliminated from the game.

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Yep the more balls the officials get and send players off the field the better

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