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Quote: Starbug "Thing is does it matter , there are no more SL quality players to come from the heartlands , we already are at saturation point , thats why we need to expand our horizons
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Quote: Barnacle Bill "No, the problem here is you failing to accept thatI have no problem accepting that. In fact i have been saying that. It was you who inferred it was Cockayne and Welham who would be keeping Ratu out and not Webster,
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2. If Ratu had taken his chance, as Welham did, then it is most likely he would have kept the centre spot (the precendent is there with Welham)'"
So why have you offered Webster another 2 year deal if you are giving Ratu an opportunity to take the centre spot? Are you really keeping on one of your best paid players as a reserve to Mike Ratue?

Quote: Barnacle Bill "3. With Ratu being injured for large parts of the season he could not have been selected in any event, but had he been fit he would probably have been kept out by Cockayne anyway (who has had another good season for Rovers).'"
so this player you are 'bringing through' 'giving a chance to' etc etc is actually 22 and your 3rd choice centre. And all you arguments regarding how it was injury and not Webster that kept Ratu out you are now admitting is nonsense because you accept he had two players ahead of him in the pecking order, both on long/medium term contracts, including an extension this year for Webster.

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By the way, I thought you wanted Rovers to sign "proven" Aussie/Kiwi players or have you changed your mind on that one too now?
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Quote: SmokeyTA "
so this player you are 'bringing through' 'giving a chance to' etc etc is actually 22 and your 3rd choice centre. And all you arguments regarding how it was injury and not Webster that kept Ratu out you are now admitting is nonsense because you accept he had two players ahead of him in the pecking order, both on long/medium term contracts, including an extension this year for Webster.'"


No, he had a chance to prove himself in training and in games just the same as anyone else. Do Leeds remove players from a winning team who are playing well just to give a chance to unproven English lads? icon_eek.gif

Virtually everything you've said in this thread. icon_biggrin.gif icon_biggrin.gif icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Barnacle Bill "No, he had a chance to prove himself in training and in games just the same as anyone else. Do Leeds remove players from a winning team who are playing well just to give a chance to unproven English lads?
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Quote: SmokeyTA "
so why has he offered Webster another contract if he believes Ratu is able to not only act as a back but may be a first choice centre? after all you have said you were happy with Cockayne there. Why do you need 5 players for that position all over the age of 22, because you are also claiming you are 'bringing through' 'developing' etc etc Mariano who is 23.
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Do Leeds only have 17 players in their SL squad? I told you some time back Smokey, let it go, you're getting nowhere. icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Barnacle Bill "Do Leeds only have 17 players in their SL squad? I told you some time back Smokey, let it go, you're getting nowhere.
Is this your attempt to slink away? its usually a much funnier blow up, im disappointed icon_wink.gif

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Quote: SmokeyTA "Are Hull KR limited to employing players from only one area of the country?'"


Only reminding your good self of one of your arguments for expansion

" We have reached the limit of the number of RL athletes the heartlands can produce "

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Quote: SmokeyTA "no, but we dont have 5 players over the age of 23 covering 2 centre positions and pretend we are 'giving young playres a shot' like Hull Kingston Australia '"


Ah, you're saying Leeds have in their SL squad a youngster to cover every position on the pitch. I'm impressed with the Hull Kingston Australia how long has it taken to steal that from Gutterfax? Well done you. icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Starbug "Only reminding your good self of one of your arguments for expansion

" We have reached the limit of the number of RL athletes the heartlands can produce "'"
ill repeat the question to you. Are Hull KR limited to employing players from only one part of the country?

and have you avoided posting the link so you dont embarress Bill as it confirms at i was speaking within the context of the game needing between 80 and 100 new English players to cover two brand new heartland teams and replace the players retiring and the quota falling? Something both you and Bill argued wouldnt really be a problem. He has soon changed his tune hasnt he? icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Barnacle Bill "Ah, you're saying Leeds have in their SL squad a youngster to cover every position on the pitch.'"
Yes.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "ill repeat the question to you. Are Hull KR limited to employing players from only one part of the country?

and have you avoided posting the link so you dont embarress Bill as it confirms at i was speaking within the context of the game needing between 80 and 100 new English players to cover two brand new heartland teams and replace the players retiring and the quota falling? Something both you and Bill argued wouldnt really be a problem. He has soon changed his tune hasnt he?
Being as it's a SL problem , I couldn't give a stuff either way , just reminding you of previous posts , you going senile an all icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Starbug "Being as it's a SL problem , I couldn't give a stuff either way , just reminding you of previous posts , you going senile an all Not at all, i stand by what I said, just wanted to make sure we kept the context in mind icon_smile.gif

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Quote: SmokeyTA "Yes.'"


How come 30 something johnny foreigners like Buderous, Leuluai and Lauitiiti get a game then?

Oh hang on!!!!

Mike Ratu Leeds Rhinos 2004-2009 (5 years) 6 SL games.

Mike Ratu Hull KR 2010 (1 year) 5 SL games.

I see your point now Smokey, yes it's all very clear. d040.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Barnacle Bill "How come 30 something johnny foreigners like Buderous, Leuluai and Lauitiiti get a game then?

Oh hang on!!!!

Mike Ratu Leeds Rhinos 2004-2009 (5 years) 6 SL games.

Mike Ratu Hull KR 2010 (1 year) 5 SL games.

I see your point now Smokey, yes it's all very clear. icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

you missed out Ash Gibson 4 years, 32 SL games
Kallum Watkins 3 Years 21 SL games
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Mike Ratu 6 SL Games

plus Gibson suffered a year out because of injury, Watkins played 5 of the first 6 games this year before suffering a season ending injury (as well as being 4 years younger than Ratu)

and 2 of the years you have included for Ratu he was only a scholarship player (what with him only being 16 in 2004) and another he spent on loan at Halifax.

Danny Buderus was a current Australian international when signed, He is a Dally M player of the year, NSW Captain (record breaking amount of times no less)
But in back up we have Paul McShane

Ali Lauittiiti an NZ international and the current Dally M second rower of the year when signed.
But in back up we have Chris Clarkson and Jay Pitts

Kylie Lueluai i have already addressed a couple of pages back
but in back up we have Luke Ambler, Burgess and Amor.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "icon_lol.gif
So what your saying now is...just because you're English does not guarantee you a start in SL, there are other factors which will determine if you are selected which explains why Gibson and Watkins played far more SL games while Ratu was at Leeds. At last we are in agreement Smokey. icon_cool.gif a014.gif We got there in the end eh? icon_thumb.gif

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