In this case there really isn't any reasonable argument.

No one supported Celtic Crusaders because

1. they were a terrible side

2. They tried to set up in an RU stronghold.


Sad but true

What have we won ?

I know full well any problems RL has had to face thank you very much but it still doesn't explain it's ridiculously small growth. Yes, RL has had to face many problems that others haven't but ATEOTD, it's always excuses isn't it? We would have done this, we would have done that if only it wasn't for Union or whatever. Well why did none of it work? Because the 'heartlanders' didn't like newcomers getting involved and taking away resources, a cry which still resounds today. Ever since I got into RL, I have been telling people how RL will one day rule the world and quoted the same arguments you said to me about problems developing the game but not anymore, I'm just going to enjoy it for what it is, a small game doing not too bad but with no real chance of developing.

Besides, I don't actually recall stating my views on the CC, so how do you know what I think about their inclusion? Maybe because I aren't rubbing my hands and laughing, you assume I think it was a great idea?

Can you explain what problems the 'Heartlanders' have caused Celtic?

MP for Halton (Widnes/Runcorn) Derek Twigg has posted on the Widnes forum. www.trustinwidnes.com/forum/inde ... 29.60.html

MP for Halton (Widnes/Runcorn) Derek Twigg has posted on the Widnes forum. www.trustinwidnes.com/forum/inde ... 29.60.html

They have caused the culture of self interest from day one.

Obviously by spending a couple of hundred pounds to spend the weekends in Bridgend in 2007/8 has made things worse

The question isn't about support, it seems to me. In terms of support they were better than Quins and on a par with Salford, in their first year. Despite losing nearly every game and clearly being uncompetitive. It's not unreasonable to assume that the support could only have grown from there, given time and a better side.

The question as to what's gone wrong seems - as always - to be far more to do with the quality of adminstration at both club and RFL level, which has once again seen our sport attracts several thousand new fans in a new area (a la Gateshead), and then screw them over royally.

Money , the lack of , pure and simple

Can you be a bit more specific about the problems the 'Heartlanders' have caused Celtic?
The above statement wasn't even close to an answer.

So the thoughts and words of people in Leigh,Widnes and Featherstone somehow cause people in South Wales to decide to not to attend a RL game in Bridgend ?

Incredible

oh and which credible accurate source has this come from? Seeing as 1 there has been no official announcement. 2 the pr guy is in the states on holiday 3 mike turner or any other member of the board are not answering phone calls or responding to the fans emails? So I ask you again who told you this or are you s**t stirring again? You have no source do you? Pipe down and crawl under your rock or play in the traffic. And don't bother with the I can't say who it is rubbish

On the link above, the Widnes MP claims Richard Lewis confirmed this is what they want to happen or will happen.

Um no. How does the rfl wants to see a superleague team in Wrexham. And the mp saying it is his belief crusaders will move, a confirmation? It's some unheard of mp trying to score points before an election by Reading between the lines and jumping to conclusions it is in no way reliable it is a personal oppinion based on assumption.