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Quote: reffy "Given that the crowd was near capacity, if they all come back where will next week’s freebies be accommodated?

If Bradford’s support is significantly more the Swinton’s, will they get in?'"


I'd expect any Bulls fans making the trip from the UK would already have bought their tickets, wouldn't you? I know when I travel to watch the Wolfpack in the UK, I always make sure to buy a match ticket in advance.

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Quote: reffy "Given that the crowd was near capacity, if they all come back where will next week’s freebies be accommodated?

If Bradford’s support is significantly more the Swinton’s, will they get in?'"


Some might not have recovered from their blistered feet with all that walking up and down on concrete for 80mins.

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Quote: pandamonium "I'd expect any Bulls fans making the trip from the UK would already have bought their tickets, wouldn't you? I know when I travel to watch the Wolfpack in the UK, I always make sure to buy a match ticket in advance.'"


That's not the point reffy was making,so you never answered his question.

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einstien said insanity is when a person does the same thing over and over again but expects a different result:



Quote: Ruune Rebellion "Notice its fans of the bottom 2 super league clubs who feel threatened by Toronto There isn’t a Hull KR fan on here complaining plus we’ve played them twice and beat them twice

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: Ruune Rebellion "Notice its fans of the bottom 2 super league clubs who feel threatened by Toronto Not at all threatened....why would I feel threatened when a/ I know we are going down and b/ they choked against us at home in the MPG icon_lol.gif

Toronto are not the answer to the woes of the sport.......they are a sideshow, a gimmick, a fantasy......you and your multiple persona's are well aware of this.

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Quote: Call Me God "Not at all threatened....why would I feel threatened when a/ I know we are going down and b/ they choked against us at home in the MPG
Are you describing Toronto here or London?

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A casual reminder that in recent years two Super League doors have flung the gates open and advertised that admission is free and could not draw a crowd as high as Toronto last night.

I don't think anyone is claiming that all tickets last night were free?

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: Ruune Rebellion "Are you describing Toronto here or London?'"

either or.....unless it's a gimmick or a 4 stop bus trip, RL fans won't attend games, especially if it involves changing buses.
London, to be fair to Hughes, are delivering players through their academy.....but Argyle and Perez are polar opposites in their vision, with the Aussie Billionaire happy to massage hs ego and buy a round at games, whilst perez has a longer term vision....THEY'RE BOTH WASTING THEIR TIME BTW......in 25 years, London as received close to £50,000,000 central funding and quite probably another £50,000,000 in personal finance.....they play out of a wedding venue, nobody knows they exists and nobody really cares.
In terms of sport........Wimbledon FC were relegated, relocated, "cloned", reborn and still get more fans to either identity than London Broncos do......how can you spend 100 million quid and ed up with just 435 season ticket holders........let that figure sink in...£100,000,000 = 435 Season ticket holders icon_biggrin.gifEPRESSED:

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I really don’t believe some of utter bile being spouted on here, please tell me what is wrong with people watching a game of Rugby League? Why would any fan of the game want Toronto to fail? What has it cost any one posting on here or the club they follow? It has cost the game in the UK nothing it has shown a pathway for others to follow, if it fails what harm has it done to the rest of the teams here? I for one will try to visit if our team plays them.

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einstien said insanity is when a person does the same thing over and over again but expects a different result:



Quote: Beverley red "I really don’t believe some of utter bile being spouted on here, please tell me what is wrong with people watching a game of Rugby League? Why would any fan of the game want Toronto to fail? What has it cost any one posting on here or the club they follow? It has cost the game in the UK nothing it has shown a pathway for others to follow, if it fails what harm has it done to the rest of the teams here? I for one will try to visit if our team plays them.'"

We have played them and by your own admission you won’t attend our home games if it’s a night match because it’s to late for you

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Quote: SRV "A casual reminder that in recent years two Super League doors have flung the gates open and advertised that admission is free and could not draw a crowd as high as Toronto last night.

I don't think anyone is claiming that all tickets last night were free?'"


Only Call Me God, who claimed upthread that EVERY SINGLE TICKET IS FREE.

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Quote: Cokey "That's not the point reffy was making,so you never answered his question.'"


I answered his second point. Bulls fans will almost all be coming over on holiday packages with Air Transat + hotel + tickets (already purchased). They will get in.

Here's a stab at answering the first point:

Assume tickets sold to Bulls fans = b.

Assume season ticket holders = s.

Assume single game tickets already sold = g.

Assume possible freebies out there - f.

Wolfpack math goes b + s + g + f = a finite number less than 9600. The difference, d, is the remaining amount Wolfpack can hold for sales during the week and/or keep back for sales at the gate.

I guess Championship clubs don't often get this close to a sell-out. Brave new world.

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Quote: pandamonium "I answered his second point. Bulls fans will almost all be coming over on holiday packages with Air Transat + hotel + tickets (already purchased). They will get in.

Here's a stab at answering the first point:

Assume tickets sold to Bulls fans


Have you been eating alphabet soup??? icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: Beverley red "I really don’t believe some of utter bile being spouted on here,'"

What "Bile"?
Quote: Beverley red "please tell me what is wrong with people watching a game of Rugby League? '"
Nothing.
Quote: Beverley red "Why would any fan of the game want Toronto to fail? '"
Who has said that......I want them in SL sooner rather than later but would be delighted to see them choke again.
Quote: Beverley red "What has it cost any one posting on here or the club they follow? '"
Many "amateur" players have lost time off work, been installed in a dormatory and been fed kids dinners when away.....
Quote: Beverley red "It has cost the game in the UK nothing it has shown a pathway for others to follow, if it fails what harm has it done to the rest of the teams here? '"
London, Paris, Wales, Sheffield etc etc etc......once the money dries up, they will fold
Quote: Beverley red "I for one will try to visit if our team plays them.'"

Good for you..........

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Quote: pandamonium "I answered his second point. Bulls fans will almost all be coming over on holiday packages with Air Transat + hotel + tickets (already purchased). They will get in.

Here's a stab at answering the first point:

Assume tickets sold to Bulls fans

Serious question for you.
IIRC, the deal to pay for flights and accommodation is for League 1 and Championship sides and will cease if / when Toronto secure promotion.
Where do you think the N. American adventure leads to in 5,10 or 20 years time ?

I fully accept that money is no object for your owner(s) but, ultimately, unless there is a way of massively improving the current TV deal, which looks unlikely in the present climate, with TV companies and on line streaming services paying less and less for their content.
Where will the game actually generate the money to keep this sustainable in the longer term
It's great for Toronto to pay for the visiting teams but, at some point, they will start to feel aggrieved at doing so. What happens when that point is reached and especially if New York and/ or Ottowa make the top flight.

Just as it is impossible for Toronto fans to fly over for every Championship game, equally, with Catalan already there and Toulouse also vying for a spot in the top flight, just where do you see the future of the game.

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