I think Saints fans are going over the top with this best pack in the league comments? I just don't see how it is when it's basically the same team as last year add Amor Masoe and lagfranchi none of those are real world class forwards. But I suppose opinions vary?

Going to be a very interesting league. Teams at the bottom are going to be fighting for their lives. I think Londons biggest problem isn't their lack of quality but they have a lot of loan players. It's very hard to get the "backs to the wall mentality" when players know they are going back to their parent club. But I have this sneaky feeling they may stick two fingers up at everyone and survive lol

1. Saints
2. Wire
3. Leeds
4. Wigan
5. Giants
6. Salford
7. Catalans
8. Rovers
9. Hull (they are a team to watch this year. They could finish as high as 6th, but could get dragged into the relegation fight. The 3 most important people in a team (coach and the two half backs) are all rookies.
10. Bradford
11. Cas
12. Widnes (they need to be more consistent. They can't have their handful if "embarrassments" like last two seasons as they might not be able to make up for it against the smaller teams who are fighting for their lives"
13. Wakefield
14. London

Cc winners - Giants
GF -Saints V Wire - Wire win

Last year we beat 4 of the top 8 and drew with Catalan while failing to beat London, losing 2 games against Wakey and also losing to Salford.... Apart from that very accurate.

Think saints look stronger than last year, but will still be a little off the pace from Leeds Wigan and wire, may leap frog huddersfield, but I can also quite easily see them bombing and replacing Brown halfway through season. Think brown us a contender for first sacking of 2014 if they mis fire.

Wigan without Tomkins, Richards and Mossop, surely they can be written off as not even top 4

As everyone did last year write Wigan off at your peril.

Writing hem off top 4 is ludicrous! Yes they have lost Tomkins but ate still a very good team. Don't forget Tomkins missed a large part of last year. Bowen could be an excellent signing and if Bateman stays injury free will be a star. Think Harrison Hanson will be a big miss for them and is Salfords best signing after Chase.

It's looking increasingly likely that Horne and Rankin will be first choice halves this year.

Oh go on write us off for top 4, it worked last year

Are you a schizophrenic?

Roby is one of the very few genuinely world class players left in the league ...

I think first and foremost, watching saints week in week out, the most exciting thing is we've signed players who will fill the rolls we were obviously missing. You may say Amor isn't a world class prop, but he precisely the type of grafter we've needed (it was lms last year, but that role doesn't suit his game).

It also helps we generally showed up well in the World Cup - if Masoe can replicate his performance against New Zealand even once this season the fans will love him. Soliola also showed up really well, and seems a bit of the forgotten man of st.helens with opposition (and saints fans at times) underestimating what he's capable of.

Coupled with so great promising talent pushing through (meaning any poor performances like lms at the start of last year) doesn't need to be tolerated.

We might be missing a peacock who can stand above all others in the pack, but as a unit were as strong as they come. Whose pack would you class as better?

If Salford mis-fire at the start of the season, it wouldn't suprise me to see Nobby in the queue at his local jobcentre before the late Spring Bank Holiday - the good Doctor doesn't strike me as being a patient man!