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Quote: Saddened! "I don't think anyone has ever doubted his ability. It's his morality and future career aspirations people have a problem with.'"


his morality is personal opinion.

and show me without selective quotes where he has stated his future career aspirations.

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Quote: Newton-Le-willows-Warrior "his morality is personal opinion.

and show me without selective quotes where he has stated his future career aspirations.'"


His choice of agent and dining partners are enough proof of that.

His one hand passes today were only because he had an Eden Park RFU catalogue in his other hand.

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Quote: Saddened! "His choice of agent and dining partners are enough proof of that.

His one hand passes today were only because he had an Eden Park RFU catalogue in his other hand.'"



So he goes out for dinner with his agent! So what?

Clearly cant accept a great player can you?

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Quote: Saddened! "Tomkins is doing himself no favours and all these blatantly set-up press releases are really starting to get annoying.

You can tell that behind the scenes Wigan are beavering away on getting the RFL/SL to increase the salary cap or give them a dispensation or central funding to keep Tomkins. All this blatantly deliberate press rumour mongering is just the padding for their case.

I hope the RFL tell them where to go. Wigan could keep Tomkins, they could keep them both if they didn't sign players like Carmont, Finch, Lauaki, Leuleuai and Richards. That way Sam wouldn't need to continually tweet about his trips to London to meet Unionites for 'dinner'.'"


So this didnt happen with Kieran Cunningham ?

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Quote: redex113 "The little brat would get his bottom slapped good style in the NRL

he would soon learn and adapt

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Quote: Saddened! "I don't think anyone has ever doubted his ability. It's his morality and future career aspirations people have a problem with.'"



Being over here. I'm not aware of either of those things tbh. What's he done?

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Quote: Rooster Booster "Being over here. I'm not aware of either of those things tbh. What's he done?'"


Nothing on either account. But he is a Wigan player of course, that's enough to be hated by most posters on here icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: McClennan "Tomkins was the stand out player today. FACT.'"


You mean for England?

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He means in the game and he's right.

Tomkins would be a shining star in the NRL and he wouldn't have to change his game, attitude, morality? or anything else.

The Ausies knew he was a threat before the game at the weekend and he still tore them up almost every time he got the ball in hand.

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Quote: The Clan "He means in the game and he's right.

Tomkins would be a shining star in the NRL and he wouldn't have to change his game, attitude, morality? or anything else.

The Ausies knew he was a threat before the game at the weekend and he still tore them up almost every time he got the ball in hand.'"

He made one clean, his elusive running was largely restricted to running laterally and he was far less effective in the second half when the England pack was not providing such a strong platform. Tomkins contributed less to the england performance than most members of the English forwards.

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Quote: Thoth "He made one clean, his elusive running was largely restricted to running laterally and he was far less effective in the second half when the England pack was not providing such a strong platform. Tomkins contributed less to the england performance than most members of the English forwards.'"


Go watch the game again, this time with your eyes open.

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Quote: The Clan "He means in the game and he's right.

Tomkins would be a shining star in the NRL and he wouldn't have to change his game, attitude, morality? or anything else.

The Ausies knew he was a threat before the game at the weekend and he still tore them up almost every time he got the ball in hand.'"


If that is the case why was he not man of the match?

He did some good passes and beat a couple of players and made half breaks.
He has a fair game.
Thurston and Smith did far better.
The Aussies are close to nicknaming him "The Crab" the way he crabs across field and gets tackled in the same point from his line only 30 yards across the field.
How many of the Australian Tries did he stop? its the fullbacks role to defend as much as attack.
In 10 minutes Slater stopped a forward on the try line and stripped the ball from him and then put his body on the line attempting to stop a much larger player from side on resulting in a multiple break of his Collarbone.

Tomkins was ineffective in defence.

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Quote: The Clan "Go watch the game again, this time with your eyes open.'"

How many clean breaks did he make? Why did his impact lessen in the second half?
If he was tearing up the Australians why did he make so fewer metres than other backs ?
The Australians found him difficult to tackle in the first half but his running was mostly lateral.

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Quote: Jonesy "If that is the case why was he not man of the match?

He did some good passes and beat a couple of players and made half breaks.
He has a fair game.
Thurston and Smith did far better.
The Aussies are close to nicknaming him "The Crab" the way he crabs across field and gets tackled in the same point from his line only 30 yards across the field.
How many of the Australian Tries did he stop? its the fullbacks role to defend as much as attack.
In 10 minutes Slater stopped a forward on the try line and stripped then ball from him and then put his body on the line attempting to stop a much larger player from side on resulting in a multiple break of his Collarbone.

Tomkins was ineffective in defence.'"


A fullback is more of an attacking weapon than a defender. They have to be fast, elusive, good evasion skills, have a good reading of the game, have good timing to be able to hit gaps in attack, and a bit fearless too.

Making tackles is obviously a part of the game, but it's not a major part of what a fullback is expected to do. For the Inglis try, for instance, would you have expected Tomkins to have made it accross to the other side of the pitch in time to make a try-saving tackle? Impossible. He did make a try saving tackle on Thurston(?) though.

Oh, and despite Slater putting his body on the line for the 1st Hall try, he failed - Hall scored. Ineffective in defence?

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Sam T would go well in the NRL, but to do this he would have to become a bit more direct instead of running laterally. The fact that he runs sidewards a lot and does well applying it for Wigan says a lot about some of the SL teams lack of decent defence. But he definately has the allround game to shine down under. A lot of the good NRL fullbacks are elusive with good ball skills. Sam definately falls into this bracket.

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