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| Quote Roary="Roary"No. Totally different club. Despite the fact they cling onto the records of the old club.
Oldham Bears went bust in 1997.
The new club, Oldham RLFC 1997 Ltd, was formed afterwards and entered into the lowest tier of the RFL. They almost made it to Super League a few years back, losing in the Grand Final to Widnes.'"
I'm almost certain Oldham Bears played in that extended world club challenge that was held back in 1997
I seem to remeber they were thumped by a massive score by someone....not sure who when or where though |
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| Quote pyeman="pyeman"They dont get sky money though, not in the same way that sl clubs do they are given money to spend on certain things but not money to spend however they want (on playing sqaud or youth structures), even then it is a pitifully small amount compared to the money sl clubs are given, without which most sl clubs would struggle, more still would struggle without a sugar daddy(something alot easier to attract in sl, take huddersfield for example without a rich benefactor and help from the rfl they would be languishing in the lower leagues now instead of having one of the brightest futures of any british rl club), how many rl clubs in britain are actually self sufficient ?
If rl is actually going to move forward we are going to need more clubs, whilst we seem to be heading towards less, if rl cant support the teams in the heartlands enough for them to survive then we might as well forget expansion altogether, if we support expansion clubs over the heartlands or vice versa we will be doomed to failure.
Yes many players from lower league clubs areas will come through sl academies mainly because the sl academies can offer far more money as they are given over a million a year by sky, have far greater sponsership opportunities, find it easier to attract sugar daddies, and get better travelling support. sl clubs will then let go all but the best of these youngsters, who end up playing in the nl's, maybe even for there local club who would have loved to have the chance to develop these youngsters but were outbid by sl rivals.
As for dual registration well we will have to see how it affects rl because no one on here can claim they know the effects of something that hasnt happened yet.'"
So part time teams that are rarely televised get far less SL money than ft teams regularly broadcast. This is true of all professional sports. Lower tier RU and football clubs get buttons compared with the top flight clubs.
Also the top clubs in any sport have more money and tend to have better academies. Only a moron would think that taking £20K out of the Leeds development budget and giving it to say Hunslet or bramley would improve the quality of players coming through. The idea that you can develop elite athletes on a pittance is nonsense.
The chip on the shoulder of some RL fans about 'sugar daddies' is sadly all too predictable. These guys are fans who love the game and put their own cash in. Good on them. Once again this is true of many sports. Oldham are now struggling because a wealthy local backer wants out while in barrow there is a resurrenge because of a local wealthy backer. Welcome to reality. |
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"Link ?
You dont have a clue how clubs operate at that level , most dont need F/T CEO's and most definatley are not going to get somebody with millions to throw away on board just because they have a ' marketing ' executive
The mandatory games might continue but nobody cares to watch u 18's , be they Championship fans or SL fans , so what help exactly is that
So if these players didn't go to the Chamnpionship clubs where exactly do you expect them to go ?
Correct , so the answer to the problem is ?
Since you are so clever'"
I am sure that your post makes sense inside your head. In the real world it is incoherent. 
The problem is that many clubs do not have a clue how to run themselves. Failing to pay their taxes or hiding behind CVAs - expecting someone else to pick up the tab for their incompetence. |
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| Quote Marsdengiant="Marsdengiant"So part time teams that are rarely televised get far less SL money than ft teams regularly broadcast. This is true of all professional sports. Lower tier RU and football clubs get buttons compared with the top flight clubs.
Also the top clubs in any sport have more money and tend to have better academies. Only a moron would think that taking £20K out of the Leeds development budget and giving it to say Hunslet or bramley would improve the quality of players coming through. The idea that you can develop elite athletes on a pittance is nonsense.
The chip on the shoulder of some RL fans about 'sugar daddies' is sadly all too predictable. These guys are fans who love the game and put their own cash in. Good on them. Once again this is true of many sports. Oldham are now struggling because a wealthy local backer wants out while in barrow there is a resurrenge because of a local wealthy backer. Welcome to reality.'"
So you like the RFL see the only way clubs can survive and prosper is to ' snare ' a ' sugar daddy '
If that is the case then the sport will never prosper , and not just below SL , sustainability is what we need , more matches , better income from existing ' streams ' and most of all more ' pay through the gate ' fans
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| Quote a.n Other="a.n Other"Ahh ok. Thought you knew the exact figures.
But your just presuming this money is from Sky? and not from other sources? Grand Finals, Challenge Cup finals etc?'"
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| Quote Marsdengiant="Marsdengiant"I am sure that your post makes sense inside your head. In the real world it is incoherent.
The problem is that many clubs do not have a clue how to run themselves. Failing to pay their taxes or hiding behind CVAs - expecting someone else to pick up the tab for their incompetence.'"
Answer this one from Geekay
Quote MarsdengiantI wonder who got Town's mandatory game against SL opposition? Last season from the end of May until mid-September Town had 4 home games and during the same period Blackpool went 5 WEEKS without a game of any sort due to the incompetent nature of the fixture lists!!!! How do you suppose clubs get behind with tax bills, etc, when they have wages to pay to players and staff??? '"
This is just one of the problems clubs outside SL have
But not to worry the RFL will chuck 300 K a year at having Toulouse in the Championship , very helpful |
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| Quote Marsdengiant="Marsdengiant"I am sure that your post makes sense inside your head. In the real world it is incoherent.
The problem is that many clubs do not have a clue how to run themselves. Failing to pay their taxes or hiding behind CVAs - expecting someone else to pick up the tab for their incompetence.'"
Ah the old ' if I pretend I dont understand your post I can avoid arguing the points of it ' excuse
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| Quote Stealth Comic="Stealth Comic"Something definitely needs to be done about the number of games being played.
Between June 1st and August 8th Cougars only played 5 games.
I'd bring the 6 decent teams up from Championship 1 into Championship and then put the remaining 4 in Conference National and have promotion from there to championship.'"
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| Quote spooneryork="spooneryork"Blackpool & London Skolars had home games in nearly 2 months, how the hell can anyone plan a business round a garbidge fixture list like that? Endless blank weekends with no games in the best summer weather, what a farce the RFL fixture planning is.'"
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Also the top clubs in any sport have more money and tend to have better academies. Only a moron would think that taking £20K out of the Leeds development budget and giving it to say Hunslet or bramley would improve the quality of players coming through. The idea that you can develop elite athletes on a pittance is nonsense.
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Except Huddersfield , they just use w1g4ns cast offs |
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| Quote Marsdengiant="Marsdengiant"Did you think that? really? Gosh.
I am not presuming anything - though you need to think otherwise.
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Ahh so when you said
Quote Marsdengiant="Marsdengiant"Perhaps these are RL fans who know that Championship clubs DO get some Sky money.'"
You didnt mean that you knew? But other fans did. Ahh i get it now, you dont know anything. Because if you did you could give exact figures of what Sky money was given to CC and CC1 clubs.
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"So you like the RFL see the only way clubs can survive and prosper is to ' snare ' a ' sugar daddy '
If that is the case then the sport will never prosper , and not just below SL , sustainability is what we need , more matches , better income from existing ' streams ' and most of all more ' pay through the gate ' fans
Clueless'"
Your fixation with 'sugar daddies' is touching. Wealthy backers are a fixture of many clubs and many sports. It is a reality that iI do not have a problem with. You do...tough. the reality is that many of the club, match and player sponsors that a club has are businesses owned by fans. lots of little 'sugar daddies' who know there is no return on their sponsorship investment.
Your 2nd paragraph is childish truism. It would be really really lovely to have those things. a lovely wish list. Any specifics? |
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