.....its been the Ashes since 1928. Since I'm pretty sure neither of us was around then it's not our call what the trophy's name is.
It is, however played for between the Kangaroos and the Lions ...not England.

Er … yes it has been between Australia and England. As you say, it's been the Ashes since 1928. We've only had a GB international team since the 1948 Ashes series.

An 'England' team which included numerous Welshmen, at least 1 Scot and quite possibly Irishmen, although I can't think of one offhand.

But you knew that already

As I understand it the term "Lions" was adopted for the 1920 tourists (pre-dating its use by RU).
As you say the Lions monicker being reserved for GB teams since 1948.
Are you suggesting England should take over the Lions brand...and therefore compete for the Ashes?

And whilst you're at it .... BRING BACK THE BIFF !

This proven time & time again to be dominated bit? it depends on your grasp of time, I will give you that the last two decades Australia has had the upper hand but we have been competing since the early 1900's for me it is only the last third of my life (to date) that Australia have been dominant, what goes round comes round. What you lot can't or won't see is that League is & always has been a minor sport in the UK, It has never been untill the last 15 years a viable carreer so we are at least twenty years behind. What is needed is the support of Australians not thier derision & that has been sadly missing at every attempt to get the international game back to somewhere near its former status. If we dont soccer & Union will allways seem a better option for young athletes as they pay more & have a very active international programe. Or are you all as I have said more interested in being the best of a very small insignificant sport played only in two states of a remote country.

They burn the goalposts and the winner takes home the urn.

i am...

Australia v Saints where fantastic, till a certain coach played a virtual A team against them, showing no respect at all to the Aussies the game and to the fans.

How could you have an old fashioned tour against club sides when both seasons run at the same time?

Don't think the "Ashes" should be played for in the one 4 Nations match, sounds a bit '6 Nations-ey' and I'm not a fan of that. I would like to see 3-match series in the calendar alternating between both countries each time, was disappointed it was going to be 4N in successive years but we wouldn't be competitive at the moment.

Who wants that anyway?


It would be horrible!

Whilst it is great to see the Aussie stars in the flesh as a contest it is non runner - if we played Australia in Australia in a three match series nobody would go to the last test - it would be a joke.

We need to forget about the international scene and concentrate on developing a big enough pool of home grown players to provide the basis of team that can compete with the Aussies.

I would suspend all international involving the home nations until the next world cup by then we may have developed a squad capable of not embarrassing ourselves like we did at the last WC

yeah, thats would work great.


lets have the Poms in a self congratulatory circle jerk for a few years and then see them be destroyed on the test scene anyway.


I'm all for it!