Also 'the vast majority'? I'm intruiged, how do you know this? Can I see your research and findings? Or are you just making things up?

Other than being the SPAG police what purpose do you serve. You are a Leeds fan who seems to have forgotten how Sir Kev was unable to prevent a second successive defeat in the CC final despite being the worlds best player. Once watched Ellery help Wigan win a CC Final v their arch rivals on one 'good leg' owing to an injury. Slight difference in quality and leadership though.

A Leeds fan that cannot recognise that Rob Burrow was as important to Leeds GF successes in the last 2 seasons and that without the menance of Burrow at 9 and the very basic boring yardage game Sir Kev would have not been able to kick superbly because he had the time and field position. Without it, Sir Kev tends to end up on his backside.

You then throw in the second rate nature of SL and you see teams self harm as Wigan did blowing a simple victory even minus Tomkins. A rookie FB dropped a kick and an experienced half failed to run the clock down etc. Wire are a team who classically self harm too. However, at least Wire and Wigan at time play some entertaining RL. Leeds are not a wonderfully entertaining team BUT they employ very successful conservative play off tactics to take advantage of mediocre SL teams.

People can enjoy British RL. Mistakes make for entertainment in almost every sport. I find amateur or schooboy RL can be entertaining to watch. However, I understanmd what I am watching and do not ever presume it is elite RL and that it is all second rate. Something that pros going to play in Aus readily testify. Sadler et al need to read what say a young British fullback Matty Russell says about standards, training and maybe then he would understand why a player can go from Britain and be improve considerable in a very short space of time. He might also understand why it takes our players so long to develop their potential, if they ever do.

British RL/SL is second rate and no British player can win the GB unless that play in the NRL UNTIL we become the best RL playing nation. Not a difficult concept. If such awards were available to all then why do Sadler et al not include championship players in the Goldthorpe system.

Who decides on awards? The GB has reared its head because we are told the number of overseas judges was cut for noapparent reason and we then had an absurd award.

Awards by peers are far more valuable. Yes, even those have limitations Printer BUT the results are more accurate, meaningful and arguably better dare I say deserving. I dislike all MOM awards BTW. Lance Todd, Harry Sunderland etc The press should report on games that they watch not judge awards. Peer awards whilst not perfecect are better than letting the media or fans near such things.

No you did not read or even understand. I said LP could do more productive things such as launching a campaign to have the George Hotel, the birthplace of RL secured. I presume that is unimportant.

Christopher draw yourself a badge and award to yourself in your bedroom. Would it make it rightful just because you decided you deserved it.

People have rightly questioned the award process, LP are afraid to be open and honest about the vote process, even people who contribute to LP but did not take part are disagreeing with the decision. Andrews and Mascord have more credibility than anyboy in these forum or elsewhere in the LP ranks BTW.

If you trawl the internet even the LP forum then other than Leeds fans, the vast majority of fans have said virtually the same thing. Nice chap but not the best in the world. Enjoy reading them.

33 pages? I can't wait for the new season so we have something else to whinge about.

Irrelevant! He's won it - get over it. It's in the annals of history and no matter how much you bleat about it you can NEVER change that.

I'm going to throw a spanner into the works by reminding everyone that New Zealand are the current world champions.

Yes I do understand what second-rate means, what you fail to get inside that closed mind of yours is that not everybody agrees with you.....shock horror! And why should I listen to Mal Reilly when you and others dismiss Darren Lockyer's opinion on Sinfield.



Vast majority??? Again making this up, so if you can keep making incorrect generalisations then I thought I'd stoop to your low level





It was actually a third successive CC Final, which probably only goes to demonstrate how little you pay proper attention to British RL because you're too busy daydreaming about being in the showers with a bunch of NRL players

. And whilst yes Burrow played a key role last year, I would actually say the key element at hooker in this years playoffs was when we brought Lunt on, you might've realised this if you payed attention.

You say we got conservative in the playoffs yet we averaged 27 points a game, only 3 points down on the regular season average of 30. And when you consider big scores against the likes of Widnes and Salford push the latter number up then not too different come playoff time. I get the impression you only really watched the game against Wigan, where yes we played more basic stuff but that was largely down to missing McGuire. You must have been at the toilet when Hall scored in the GF, watch that play back and deem it conservative! If anything it was Warrington who tighten up in the GF, they didn't stretch the defence like they did at Wembley, didn't go over to Leeds' suspect right side defence enough and apart from the early kick which BJB dropped their kicking was very ordinary and pretty safe asking no questions of the catchers. Perhaps also watch back when we take a 14-6 lead and knock on by trying to force things to the edges in are own half, that lead to Warrington pegging us back to 14-14 by halftime. Things you'd noticed if you payed close attention and not incorrect generalisations again.



See above answer!

Clearly you don't, we've established that.



So we listen to Matty Russell but not the likes of Sam Burgess (or Lockyer) who have praised Sinfield. How about the some of the comments Buderus made when he returned to Australia about the negative style of NRL. All 3 hold more weight than Russell.


In your opinion.

Again, in your OPINION.



All MOM awards? What about when the likes of John Kear and Jonathan Davies picks the winner on BBC games? I said for something like the GB the media is much more ideal as they will watch more games from BOTH sides of the world. In between watching videos of SL opposition, getting ready for matches, keeping an eye on their academy talents, setting and running training, doing media work, having families and more how many games of NRL do you think the likes of McDermott and Wane get to see to make a proper judgement on who is the best. I would imagine that some SL coaches and captains only saw the likes of Cameron Smith and Ben Barba only a couple of times this year.

It's still so 'transparent' that it's not who voted, simply who won it that truely upsets you. Funny how the only other past winners you've mentioned as not being worthy are Farrell and Schofield. Surely if the modern media are that unsuitable to pick such awards then Golden Boots won by the likes of Smith, Slater and co are all as equally worthless but you've never said so. Ahh but bless the voting process doesn't get slammed these years just because you got a winner YOU agree with. You'll retort with the number of judges being cut, but surely it doesn't matter if its 10 judges or 100, if they're all the despicable modern media it doesn't matter, the NRL winners should be deemed just as unworthy.

You need to grow up and not sulk just because people haven't agreed with your opinion.

Oh if we're gunna use international results to determine how good a league is then lets look at football again.

Brazil 5 World Cups
Spain 1
England 1
France 1

Does this make the Brazilian league 5 times better than those other 3?

Colombia are currently ranked 5th in the world (yes Colombia) ahead of England, France, Holland, Portugal and Brazil. Does this mean their league is much better than all of those countries? Hardly.

Ah well its done and dusted.

Sinfield is a competent players and apparently a nice Bloke and role model.
Pretty sure most people do not think he is the Best Player in the World, (or even a contender) he has been given the Award for reasons known best by the local Judges.

Well done Kev, great for the game in the UK and it gives a boost to the fans.

Indeed Damo and many would say that was down to the fact they enlisted an NRL coach and that most of their players bar 1 ? play in the NRL. Those NZErs playing in SL rarely get picked it seems, at least now.

We haver been given a flogging several times by NZ rcently less so than say v Australia and we have even been beaten when 'Sir Kev'

was playing, often at 6.

However, remember Damowe are not a second rate RL playing nation and we have the best RL player in the world! I know because 'printer' say so

If i was you, I would give up on this username and go back to whichever one you were using before but were to embarrassed to spout this drivel under, before someone bothers to point out the fairly obvious factual errors in this.

A fair few of those world cup winners have played in SL since 2008 including last years NRL Grand finalist Greg Eastwood. Please try and explain how Greg can go from been in a team that beat Cameron Smiths Australia in 2008 to been on the losing side against Cameron Smiths Melbourne Storm?

Is the New Zealand team of 2008 second rate to Queensland and the NRL because the world cup featured a lot of poor sides. Or doesn't this fit into your argument that great players can play in second rate competitions?

Darren Lockyer was awarded man of the match in that 2008 final despite being on the losing team. I guess that is as disputable as Kevin Sinfield being awarded Golden Boot despite being in the losing league...