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I think Nigel Wood needs to be more specific and how the Stobart Deal could benefit Rugby League upwards to the tune of £2.5 million.

With my job I travel quite a lot of miles up and down the motorways and the busy time or "visible time" for Stobart Lorries is early morning or late evening, which is outside of the public commuter time window. Also the signage is showing SKY superleague on Friday Nights only, so a non RL person would be blinkered into thinking they don,t play this sport over an extensive weekend.

The package might migrate people to watch rugby league on SKY but I doubt it will put "bums on seats". For me the deal has pure "novelty value" and won't generate income, exposure. Only serious media marketing will do that, Aussie rules did this a few years back with a concentrated marketing campaign, there attendances are now sky high whilst the NRL have stagnated.

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So if these trucks are never going to stop, does that mean that they're going to be driving round 120 empty billboards for a laugh, or is it possible that 24-hours a day might be a bit of an exaggeration.
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24 hour trucking is not an exagaration, its a reality in this day and age.

Take one of mine for example today , where it was and times

0300 Hull, 0600 Newcaslte, 0900 Hexham,1000 Washington, 1300 Bradford, 1700 Hull, 2300 Lutterworth and will finish back in Hull around 0400.

650 miles covered and use of the M62, A1 and M1.



Example 2 is one thats been away all week (just to show were its been)

Monday Hull to Berwick
Tuesday Berwick to Seaham to Burton Latimer to Peterboro
Weds Peterbro to Stevenage to Sandy to Doncaster to Hull
Thurs Peterboro to Trowbridge to Bristol to Swansea to Cardiff
Fri Cardiff to Erith to Bedford to Peterboro
Sat Peterboro to Hull

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Quote: Roy Haggerty "Oooh, those extra 20 trucks make all the difference. It's not 4.5% of their fleet, it's 5.4% ! That's won me over.

So if these trucks are never going to stop, does that mean that they're going to be driving round 120 empty billboards for a laugh, or is it possible that 24-hours a day might be a bit of an exaggeration.

This remains a fantastic deal for Stobart, and an absolutely gobsmackingly bad deal for the RFL. I'm happy to be proved wrong when all those additional sponsorships referred to above start coming in, although (a) I don't see why BETFAIR would have had to prevent those if Stobart won't, and (b) if they were going to happen, I'd have thought maybe they'd have happened by now.'"


Those extra trucks won't make a massive difference, Roy. But, as is said in the interview, there is more involved in the deal than just new livery on the side of Stobart trucks.

I'm not saying that this is a fantastic deal for Rugby League. It isn't. But neither is Betfair's 750,000pa which, if you take the RFL statement on the deal as truth, does infer that the Betfair deal would have given them sole rights over the RL brand and SL logo.

So, if they can make up the difference lost in cash from the Betfair deal, with a plethora of smaller sponsorship deals, then the Stobart deal is the better of the two evils.

By the sound of it, after listening to that interview, it seems that the RFL are trying to develop a long-term relationship with a major brand sponsor that would lead to a better, more financially rewarding deal, in the future.

So we could end up with both money and massive national exposure from the deal we have now, and possibly a lot more in any future deal. It will still be chickenfeed compared to RU though. But gaining a lot more national exposure could help increase the sports desirability to big brand sponsors.

It's sad that RL is so far behind RU in being able to attract big brand sponsors with massive financial benefits, but that is the way it is. There was no-one offering anything like the £40 Million Aviva deal. We had two choices; the Betfair deal or the Stobart deal. In the long run, the Stobart deal is likely to be the better of the two. Forget all the fanciful nonsense on here about how much better it could be done by them. There are far too many self-appointed experts on this board commenting on something, the details of which, is known only within the boardrooms of Stobart, Betfair and the RFL.

We'll have a better idea of how good or bad this deal is when we see all these sponsors, that the RFL have promised, ploughing the extra sponsorship money in for the next three years.

Or not, as the case may be.

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Whats in this for Stobart?

I could understand a betting company wanting the sponsorship as people will bet on RL matches and they could do live betting during games at half time etc so they could increase numbers betting hence making money, but a trucking company hmm

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Quote: wire quin "Whats in this for Stobart?'"

More exposure. They get a mention every time the Superleague is referred to. So they will be mentioned on the BBC and Sky pretty much every week.

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There's quite a few people on here who appear to know that this is a bad deal for the sport when I don't believe we've actually tried it before. Now I don't know if it's going to be a success or not but I'm quite happy for us to try something different and something novel.

For it to work each club needs to increase their turnover by approximately £54k for us to break even with the BetFair option. That works out at just over £4k per home match which is (based on £20 admission charge) an extra 207 fans per game which is very achievable if you ask me.

If these lorries driving up and down the country are able to increase each team's attendance by more than 207 fans a game it will have served a basic purpose. Will it help attract more? Quite possibly because it's not just about attracting new fans it's about increasing the frequency of those fans coming who perhaps only go to the odd game or big game. Let's not forget that.

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Quote: Pepe "if you take the RFL statement on the deal as truth'"


Now come on Pepe. eusa_naughty.gif

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Quote: McClennan "There's quite a few people on here who appear to know that this is a bad deal for the sport when I don't believe we've actually tried it before. Now I don't know if it's going to be a success or not but I'm quite happy for us to try something different and something novel.

For it to work each club needs to increase their turnover by approximately £54k for us to break even with the BetFair option. That works out at just over £4k per home match which is (based on £20 admission charge) an extra 207 fans per game which is very achievable if you ask me.

If these lorries driving up and down the country are able to increase each team's attendance by more than 207 fans a game it will have served a basic purpose. Will it help attract more? Quite possibly because it's not just about attracting new fans it's about increasing the frequency of those fans coming who perhaps only go to the odd game or big game. Let's not forget that.'"


Are the going to move every game to Friday nights? As that is the only day that is advertised on the pictures i have seen. Are they planning on advertising different games on the lorrys?
It seems to be more about advertising the game for sky rather than getting people though the gates (not that it couldnt happen).

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Quote: a.n Other "Are the going to move every game to Friday nights? As that is the only day that is advertised on the pictures i have seen. '"


What difference does it make? If you see the sign and are interested you go and look it up don't you? I can't think that too many people who are influenced by this sort of advertising (it's more brand awareness than information giving) sit in their car and have to take the details down of the match there and then. It's about provoking interest. Build it and they will come. We've built it (let's face it with the new stadiums the sport has never been more attractive) and now we're telling them to come.

Quote: a.n Other " It seems to be more about advertising the game for sky rather than getting people though the gates (not that it couldnt happen).'"


Increase in RL's worth to SKY = increased power for us at the negotiating table

Win-win!

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Totally agree Mc

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Quote: McClennan "What difference does it make? If you see the sign and are interested you go and look it up don't you? I can't think that too many people who are influenced by this sort of advertising (it's more brand awareness than information giving) sit in their car and have to take the details down of the match there and then. It's about provoking interest. Build it and they will come. We've built it (let's face it with the new stadiums the sport has never been more attractive) and now we're telling them to come.

Increase in RL's worth to SKY
But you mentioned the increase in crowds at the games as a result of the advertising. Surely it would have a bigger impact if new potential customers knew when the games were? Isnt that normal when trying to get people though the gate?

Regardless of the above, if the advertising works and creates more viewers for SL on Sky and this increases the tv money then it will be worth the risk the RFL have appeared to have taken.

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Is it not possible that people will see the lorry, watch a game on Sky, like what they see and then go and watch it live? IMO it's something different which is to be applauded and continues the RFL approach if trying to raise awareness of the game.

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Once again this deal is primarily aimed at building watching on TV numbers and ultimatly a better TV deal , the advertising is subliminal, its just a shame SKY couldnt have got an advert featuring the trucks out now instead of the dodgy one currently being shown

As for the Betfair deal, would the clubs have spent their 60 grand share marketing themselves both as a live and a TV product? , or would they have just found another loophole foriengher to give it to?

Hopefully Stobarts will be working with the clubs on a more local basis, like having the trucks available to their community depts visiting schools and town centres / shopping centres with free or cheap ticketing offers

That will be up to the clubs, time to grow up and start to look after themselves

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Quote: a.n Other "But you mentioned the increase in crowds at the games as a result of the advertising. Surely it would have a bigger impact if new potential customers knew when the games were? Isnt that normal when trying to get people though the gate?'"


Potential customers are not lame. If the advertising gets your interest you go looking for it in the same way that when you see a film trailer you don't wait for it to tell you where it's showing you go and find out. People are a lot cleverer than we give them credit for lol.

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Quote: Traffic "Is it not possible that people will see the lorry, watch a game on Sky, like what they see and then go and watch it live? IMO it's something different which is to be applauded and continues the RFL approach if trying to raise awareness of the game.'"

Good post.

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15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
Sun 9th Mar
SL
17:30
Warrington-Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
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Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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