it is already less embarrassing than the 2008 World Cup.

Not blaming the ref, just saying they've been poor, along with England. Are you not allowed to criticise referees?

Many bookies gave us 14 start. I hope those who backed us got on with the one or two who gave 16.

Plus for future reference you just need to give Eastwood a little push to get him on floor. No need for big shoulder hits!

Yet again we get ripped apart far too easy down the sides.

We've got to play like we did in the 2nd half, play like we did in the 1st and we'll get battered.

I beleive he was hit by the same sniper that hit Robinson later on.

As has been mentioned earlier, we only really played for short periods, we have to play for 80 minutes to compete with the likes of the Kiwis and Aussies.

Blaming the ref is always the first call for a losing team.

It is right about 1% of the time...

Archer was poor. So were England bar 5 minutes.

Which do you think you have control over???

A few changes next week and we should be better.

Drop Widdop, Atkins and Griffin. Tomkins at full back, Robinson and Brown at half back, Crabtree on the bench.

What happened to Fielden? Didnt come back on after his first spell, I think?

and who's to say that after the socre went 18-16 that the NZ didnt socre a few more tries and win 30-16??? Change the bloody record and face the fact that England wernt good enough. It might have been a try and but thats no excuse for the poor defence to conceed a try moments later.

Correct.

Marshall showing Tomkins how far he has to go in the big pond.

Graham excellent. Shenton and Westwood good. England decent for 10 minutes. NZ well below their best. Atkins, Brown, J.Tomkins, Griffin, Fielden, Goulding, Referee not good enough.

With respect we'll probably only really know that after we've played the Aussies and PNG too.

Atkins smashed into the upright, thats why he was took off.