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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: Muggins " - any country can be good if you fill it with Australians.'"

...is that the strap line for this world cup?
I'm in Hamilton for the epic encounter between ANZAC D v ANZAC C......I believe there are 2 of the 34 on show born in the nations they are representing and neither country has a professional club...in fact both domestic leagues are shambolic.

France are a work in progress and should continue to be nurtured by the RFL if we want them to grow.....Toulouse getting into SL in the next decade will help, but it won't happen overnight....I believe that at least one club from Ireland and one from Scotland need to be considered for CH1 in the next 3 years, but the problem the game has is that whilst professional, it is run like an amateur association with "members" agendas always to the fore....

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Quote: Muggins "Are France improving? That's the main question for me. I hope they are because I think they are the one European country that has the potential to be Tier 1. I can never see Scotland, Wales or Ireland amounting to anything, sadly. Not with players actually from those countries - any country can be good if you fill it with Australians.'"


France is improving in the basics, but needs some attacking weapons apart from Kheirallah. Morgan Escare and Anthony Gigot would have provided some of that. And Remi Casty might have made some half breaks up the middle for Escare to capitalize on. Sadly Theodore Fages did not make an impression on the game.

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "France is improving in the basics, but needs some attacking weapons apart from Kheirallah. Morgan Escare and Anthony Gigot would have provided some of that. And Remi Casty might have made some half breaks up the middle for Escare to capitalize on. Sadly Theodore Fages did not make an impression on the game.'"

France lost to ANZAC E in their opener and will be absolutely hammered by the English next week....they need more international exposure with annual tours to the South Pacific if they are to truly grow....they are one of the true hopes for the game to grow and need to be backed to the hilt by the RFL and NRL......get them out there during Origin season......and if need be fly PNG to France each year for a test....that's the only way they will get better!

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Quote: downo "Its big on a casual level, but people have lives, we get our fix through the season, this is very uninspiring, definitely a tv game, if it was in Sydney i don't know anyone who'd go, i imagine it would be expensive, if i was in a pub having a few with friends, i might glance at the screen every now & again'"


You get your fix through the NRL season? The NRL crowds are even lower than the world cup crowds icon_lol.gif

Im not surprised by the low attendance's at all, the Aussie RL crowds are pathetic, especially in Sydney, and tbh if you went to a game and felt how flat the atmosphere was you wouldn't want to go either

I think some of the Sydney football teams are getting bigger crowds now, and AFL teams regularly get 50,000+, which proves that the problem is the over entitled NRL fans who only get excited by the 3 origins

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: leedsnsouths "You get your fix through the NRL season? The NRL crowds are even lower than the world cup crowds This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I binned Sky Sports NZ this year in exchange for super fibre and access to everything online......I have seen nothing on domestic Freeview in regards to the RLWC here. I am a stadium member at the Westpac in Wellington and usually I am offered the chance to sell my Box for major events that I don't want to attend.....I've had nowt for the QF in a few weeks.....but I get regular offers to sell it for the Phoenix soccer side who get less at games than I do to a family BBQ......Perspective wise, I was offered NZ $45,000 for the Lions test here earlier this year......the box doesn't cost that for 4 years!

It's not apathy....it's arrogance. They (the NRL) really do believe that we should flock to games....even the dark side marketed the off the RWC11.....if you don't ask people they won't come.....It's not brain surgery.

I am tempted to start a thread on how badly this WC has been run but I'll hold off, purely because I'll be accused of being negative (or a troll), but the reality is that it's been terribly run!

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Quote: leedsnsouths "You get your fix through the NRL season? The NRL crowds are even lower than the world cup crowds



The NRL crowds considering there are 9 teams in Sydney aren't too bad actually, but there just isn't the same fanatical, weird, childish fanboy attitude that you lot have, you rarely find grown men wearing replica jerseys etc, i mean thats just weird

Going to a game is neither here nor there, theres a lot to do in Sydney, lets face it, the North of England is a bit limited, its understandable that the dedication to a team be it RL or even Football is a bit obsessive, its all a lot of you have in life

As for this thing, why bother going to games, its almost summer, i can sit in a nice beer garden on a warm evening, drink far cheaper & watch the games on telly, have a chat etc, i just don't see the point in even contemplating this crap

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Quote: Call Me God "This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I binned Sky Sports NZ this year in exchange for super fibre and access to everything online......I have seen nothing on domestic Freeview in regards to the RLWC here. I am a stadium member at the Westpac in Wellington and usually I am offered the chance to sell my Box for major events that I don't want to attend.....I've had nowt for the QF in a few weeks.....but I get regular offers to sell it for the Phoenix soccer side who get less at games than I do to a family BBQ......Perspective wise, I was offered NZ $45,000 for the Lions test here earlier this year......the box doesn't cost that for 4 years!

It's not apathy....it's arrogance. They (the NRL) really do believe that we should flock to games....even the dark side marketed the booty off the RWC11.....if you don't ask people they won't come.....It's not brain surgery.

I am tempted to start a thread on how badly this WC has been run but I'll hold off, purely because I'll be accused of being negative (or a troll), but the reality is that it's been terribly run!'"




I guarantee that most people here don't give a toss about it, most administrators are going about organising something in the faint hop it will just suffice, they'd rather be on holidays too, i'd say half the players are happy enough they are making a quid but would probably rather also be on holidays

We the fans have had enough, the season is over, its getting warm, the competition is e, why flog a dead horse? i'd actually rather see another extended world club series, i'd rather a whole season of one big world club challenges like 97

wether you like it or not, & i'm sick of reiterating it, SOO is the best RL on the planet, people here buy into it & enjoy the theatre of it because they are discerning purveyors & this is what they choose to consume

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Quote: downo "The NRL crowds considering there are 9 teams in Sydney aren't too bad actually, but there just isn't the same fanatical, weird, childish fanboy attitude that you lot have, you rarely find grown men wearing replica jerseys etc, i mean thats just weird

Going to a game is neither here nor there, theres a lot to do in Sydney, lets face it, the North of England is a bit limited, its understandable that the dedication to a team be it RL or even Football is a bit obsessive, its all a lot of you have in life

As for this thing, why bother going to games, its almost summer, i can sit in a nice beer garden on a warm evening, drink far cheaper & watch the games on telly, have a chat etc, i just don't see the point in even contemplating this crap'"


Pathetic excuses as usual, the AFL have 10 teams in Melbourne and all have better attendance and atmosphere than the Sydney NRL teams, with Richmond averaging around 60,000 per game. icon_lol.gif

If there is so much to do in Sydney (what btw? because the only alternative you have offered so far is going to a pub) then why do the Sydney AFL teams and some Sydney football teams get better attendances and much better atmospheres than the NRL clubs?

Your comments about a 'fanboy' attitude just show the arrogance of the typical NRL fan, who are only invested in Origin and constantly make excuses about why they don't go to games, instead of getting behind their teams and creating an atmosphere.

Despite all the money in the game in Australia, the sport is arguably diminishing, largely down to the arrogance of its administrators and so called fans, and the lack of coverage of a home world cup is even more evidence of how deluded they are

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Quote: leedsnsouths "Pathetic excuses as usual, the AFL have 10 teams in Melbourne and all have better attendance and atmosphere than the Sydney NRL teams, with Richmond averaging around 60,000 per game.



yeah but who cares?? it could go to & i wouldn't care, i reckon half the people who watch RL couldn't give two hoots, its just there, its something to do if you want to go, something to watch if you want to watch, its not the be all & end all

Why are you worried anyway?, you immerse yourself in substandard RL & a third world lifestyle, if nobody goes to our games & crowds diminish, so what?? there are only two professional AFL & two professional football teams in Sydney btw

there are thousands of things to do, go online & check it out, i'm not your mother, its all there

creating an atmosphere? sit around singing? you're grown men!!! grow up!!! too busy singing songs & not watching the games, no wonder the average supporter has such a basic, lacking RL IQ, i actually watch the game, no time for singing frigging songs, i hate that, i'd walk out if all these strange people started singing silly songs around me, or at least i'd need noise cancelling headphones or something! how childish...singing at the footy lol haha

I still remember many years ago, i was at the stoop watching the Broncos, my mate was playing for them, we were standing around after the game having a beer when a couple of middle aged men wandered over begging for autographs, so my mate signed their jerseys & told them i played too, well being pretty big & a bronzed Aussie god like being, they believed it so i signed them also, its always been a source of amusement to me & him that there are a couple of London fans with my signature on his shirt

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France did ok, they just couldn’t compete for the full 80. France needs a 2nd Super League club and to play more internationals. Both France and PNG have a lot of potential at international level. France U18’s beat England a few weeks ago.

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Quote: downo "yeah but who cares?? it could go to poop & i wouldn't care, i reckon half the people who watch RL couldn't give two hoots, its just there, its something to do if you want to go, something to watch if you want to watch, its not the be all & end all

Why are you worried anyway?, you immerse yourself in substandard RL & a third world lifestyle, if nobody goes to our games & crowds diminish, so what?? there are only two professional AFL & two professional football teams in Sydney btw

there are thousands of things to do, go online & check it out, i'm not your mother, its all there

creating an atmosphere? sit around singing? you're grown men!!! grow up!!! too busy singing songs & not watching the games, no wonder the average supporter has such a basic, lacking RL IQ, i actually watch the game, no time for singing frigging songs, i hate that, i'd walk out if all these strange people started singing silly songs around me, or at least i'd need noise cancelling headphones or something! how childish...singing at the footy lol haha

I still remember many years ago, i was at the stoop watching the Broncos, my mate was playing for them, we were standing around after the game having a beer when a couple of middle aged men wandered over begging for autographs, so my mate signed their jerseys & told them i played too, well being pretty big & a bronzed Aussie god like being, they believed it so i signed them also, its always been a source of amusement to me & him that there are a couple of London fans with my signature on his shirt'"


Obviously you care as you post on a RL forum icon_lol.gif

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Quote: leedsnsouths "Obviously you care as you post on a RL forum

No he doesn't care, he's just a troll and a poor one at that.

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Quote: downo "yeah but who cares?? it could go to poop & i wouldn't care, i reckon half the people who watch RL couldn't give two hoots, its just there, its something to do if you want to go, something to watch if you want to watch, its not the be all & end all

Why are you worried anyway?, you immerse yourself in substandard RL & a third world lifestyle, if nobody goes to our games & crowds diminish, so what?? there are only two professional AFL & two professional football teams in Sydney btw

there are thousands of things to do, go online & check it out, i'm not your mother, its all there

creating an atmosphere? sit around singing? you're grown men!!! grow up!!! too busy singing songs & not watching the games, no wonder the average supporter has such a basic, lacking RL IQ, i actually watch the game, no time for singing frigging songs, i hate that, i'd walk out if all these strange people started singing silly songs around me, or at least i'd need noise cancelling headphones or something! how childish...singing at the footy lol haha

I still remember many years ago, i was at the stoop watching the Broncos, my mate was playing for them, we were standing around after the game having a beer when a couple of middle aged men wandered over begging for autographs, so my mate signed their jerseys & told them i played too, well being pretty big & a bronzed Aussie god like being, they believed it so i signed them also, its always been a source of amusement to me & him that there are a couple of London fans with my signature on his shirt'"


France not doing too well Bazza?

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Quote: supersuperfc "France not doing too well Bazza?'"







Apparently not

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: downo "yeah but who cares??'"

Obviously you do....
Quote: downo "I still remember many years ago, i was at the stoop watching the Broncos '"

You watched the Broncos at the Stoop? 2012 & 2013 saw that side win 6 Home SL games over the 2 seasons. As a self proclaimed CONNOISSEUR of Rugby League I am surprised you'd have bothered trecking out to Twickenham....unless of course you were working as a pot-man at the Cabbage Patch?
As for your claim to having been mistaken for a player, I sincerely doubt it, given that most of the handful of fans in attendance were all on first name terms with the playing staff......


Quote: downo "
Despite all the money in the game in Australia, the sport is arguably diminishing, largely down to the arrogance of its administrators and so called fans, and the lack of coverage of a home world cup is even more evidence of how deluded they are'"

depressingly I have just figured out that the 9 games so far in Australia (including 2 double headers) are averaging 8k a game.... they really don't give a toss and they should never host another one. We can only hope that Perez et al manage to create a North American league and we can leave the 'stralians to their own devices.

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NRL 18 Cronulla16-20Gold Coast
NRL 18 Brisbane6-14Penrith
SL 16 St.Helens6-8Castleford
SL 16 Warrington48-0Huddersfield
SL 16 Wigan24-6Leigh
CH 14 Sheffield28-0Halifax
Thu 4th Jul
NRL 18 Parramatta16-32Souths
Sun 30th Jun
CH 13 Barrow0-36Wakefield
CH 13 Dewsbury12-38Bradford
CH 13 Halifax38-18Whitehaven
CH 13 Widnes16-24Batley
CH 13 York10-18Sheffield
L1 13 Cornwall10-16Crusaders
L1 13 Newcastle10-44Midlands
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 15 427 170 257 26
St.Helens 16 429 170 259 22
Warrington 16 406 213 193 22
Hull KR 15 383 201 182 22
Salford 15 295 288 7 20
Catalans 15 288 220 68 18
 
Leeds 16 291 286 5 18
Huddersfield 16 298 365 -67 12
Leigh 15 270 250 20 11
Castleford 16 246 435 -189 9
Hull FC 15 198 474 -276 4
LondonB 16 156 615 -459 2
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 13 486 142 344 26
Sheffield 14 382 217 165 22
Bradford 13 341 218 123 18
Toulouse 12 332 174 158 16
Widnes 13 315 245 70 15
Featherstone 13 330 283 47 12
 
Batley 13 205 286 -81 12
Doncaster 13 237 325 -88 11
York 14 285 293 -8 10
Whitehaven 13 266 358 -92 10
Halifax 14 270 405 -135 10
Barrow 12 203 339 -136 10
Swinton 13 260 332 -72 8
Dewsbury 14 168 419 -251 2
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