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Quote: TheButcher "The case in question was thrown out of court a while ago. Not sure another RFL investigation is going to find anything different than a law court.'"


Despite what your glorious leader says, the case was not thrown out of court and he is being economical with the truth somewhat. Puletua took both Salford Red Devils and Euromatech Ltd to the tribunal over non-payment of his second contract with Euromatech which was intrinsically linked to his playing contract at Salford. He signed for Salford on the basis of an £80k playing contract with the club and a separate £50k contract for "consultancy services" with Euromatech. The tribunal found the club not guilty of owing Puletua money but also found that Euromatech did and they were ordered to pay him, something which Dear Leader neglects to mention.

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Quote: Derwent "Despite what your glorious leader says, the case was not thrown out of court and he is being economical with the truth somewhat. Puletua took both Salford Red Devils and Euromatech Ltd to the tribunal over non-payment of his second contract with Euromatech which was intrinsically linked to his playing contract at Salford. He signed for Salford on the basis of an £80k playing contract with the club and a separate £50k contract for "consultancy services" with Euromatech. The tribunal found the club not guilty of owing Puletua money but also found that Euromatech did and they were ordered to pay him, something which Dear Leader neglects to mention.'"


If all of that is true (do you have a source for the info?) then that doesn't look too good from Salford's perspective.

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It'll be of some interest to see how this develops, and any further implications it might have.

It's not too unusual for senior players to get involved with the coaching of junior teams, or even the "reserve team" at their current club, so if they had received additional payments for these activities, would that too count towards the cap?

If there is a clear seperation of duties, and it could be proved that someone did indeed have a seperate, functional and valid, consultancy role, in addition to their playing contract, then why would it be counted towards to cap? Of course if its just a smokescreen, then fair enough, count if towards the cap, and investigate the potential rule breech.

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Quote: shinymcshine "It'll be of some interest to see how this develops, and any further implications it might have.

It's not too unusual for senior players to get involved with the coaching of junior teams, or even the "reserve team" at their current club, so if they had received additional payments for these activities, would that too count towards the cap?

If there is a clear seperation of duties, and it could be proved that someone did indeed have a seperate, functional and valid, consultancy role, in addition to their playing contract, then why would it be counted towards to cap? Of course if its just a smokescreen, then fair enough, count if towards the cap, and investigate the potential rule breech.'"


There is no seperation, nor should there be. The reason why is abuse of the loophole - you'd end up in a situation whereby every single player had 2 defined, completely seperate "consultancy" roles in the club and paid £1 for his on field duties and £200k for working in the club shop once a year for an hour.

Rules with regards other functions at the club
Other Employees of the Club acting as Players
Where any employee of the Club (such as a coach or trainer) is selected to play for the Club in a Salary Cap Relevant Match during the Salary Cap Year, he shall immediately be considered to be a ‘Player’ for the remaining period of the Salary Cap Year (irrespective of his primary duties to the Club and/or whether he plays for the Club in any other Salary Cap Relevant Match during the remainder of the Salary Cap Year).
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Quote: consultancy "There is no seperation, nor should there be. The reason why is abuse of the loophole - you'd end up in a situation whereby every single player had 2 defined, completely seperate "consultancy" roles in the club and paid £1 for his on field duties and £200k for working in the club shop once a year for an hour.'"


Not forgetting the missus working in the shop on £100K icon_wink.gif

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Just drop a paper bag in the Virgin isles to be picked up on there route home icon_wink.gif

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I think the Dr has been taking salary cap management lessons from uncle Mo

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Quote: Levrier "Conspiracy theory at its best. Koukash sells entire team to Leigh, Salford made to swap places with Leigh for coming season and the good doctor buys Leigh.'"



Insane, but you can have 10000/1 for that happenijng...

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From this it's obvious the salary cap is impossible to police so scrap it allow clubs to pay what they want and if they then end up in administration they get demoted one division teams in the bottom division forfeit promotion for one season if they are wound up its start at the bottom again a club in the bottom division forfeits promotion for two years
NO EXCEPTIONS

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From this it's obvious the salary cap is impossible to police so scrap it allow clubs to pay what they want and if they then end up in administration they get demoted one division teams in the bottom division forfeit promotion for one season if they are wound up its start at the bottom again a club in the bottom division forfeits promotion for two years
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The reason this is a big story is the Dr said he was going to cheat the cap just like others do. He has obviously gone away and found out how this is done. That would indicate that this is common practise and it suits the player getting better wages so nothing is said. However if you operate this system and you terminate their contract you must pay off both element to avoid them "Telling tales". The players in some ways have the club by the balls.

The reason this is a big story is it has clear that there have been an attempt to disguise player payments to remain under the cap. The chances are this wasn't a newly created scam but one that is used in other clubs with money so could create waves for other clubs too.

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Rip salary cap........thank God it's dead

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Yeah now the Super league can just be like premier League is for football. Brilliant 4 club comp can't wait.

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A paper tiger cannot roar, it definitely cannot bite.

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