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I think we should pair up with a lower league club.

We'll have Widnes. Who does everybody else want? icon_wink.gif

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[img:24qn1m99]http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b147/DrGomez/Replacementbanner.jpg?t=1284815933[/img:24qn1m99] On thread drift: [quote="tb":24qn1m99]Tough. Conversations develop. It's their nature.[/quote:24qn1m99] Little Pepe went to nursery school one day wearing his Widnes hat. His teacher asked him why he was a Widnes fan. He said, “Because my parents are.” His teacher said, “That’s not good. What would you do if your parents were drug dealers and hookers?” He replied, “Well then I would be a Warrington fan.” [i:24qn1m99]There's a Wooly over there, baggy kecks and feathered hair with a 3 star jumper half way up his back, that’s a fecking Wooly back![/i:24qn1m99] [b:24qn1m99]Oooh-to… Oooh-to-be… Oooh-to-be-a… WOOLY![/b:24qn1m99]:24307.jpg



Quote: crucrucrusaders "I think we should pair up with a lower league club.

We'll have Widnes. Who does everybody else want?
No problem. We could call them the ‘Widnes Vikings’, play at the Stboart Stadium Halton, have our reserve team playing in Wrexham – we could call them the Crusaders - and enter SL in 2011 instead of 2012. icon_smile.gif




Although the Crusaders would have to get their debts sorted first. icon_wink.gif

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getting of subject for a moment, whats with these inaccurate quotes stating Crusaders are the highest placed expansion team in superleague? i think you will find thats actually Hull FC. formed from the merger of Hull Sharks and expansion team GATESHEAD THUNDER. :p not to mention huddersfield, who i believe swallowed up the old sheffield 'expansion' club. icon_razz.gif

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when the score got to 50 we shouted for more, up popped brad davis went over for four..... ......and its no nay never no nay never no more will we face religation...... big barrie mac.' the cas forads av been bob on' [quote="chissitt":3gx4tjo6]Pyeman I wish you would stop talking so much sense. I am in danger of becomming one of your biggest fans. :lol:[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="vastman":3gx4tjo6]Westerman looks the most promising for a long time.[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Leyther_Matt":3gx4tjo6]The best proper 'rugby pub' in the country has to be the Boot Room at Cas[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Bolton_Warrior":3gx4tjo6]The only time I ever doubted going to watch Wigan was when we bare face cheated to stay in superleague[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [quote="Danril":3gx4tjo6] Last night, despite being poor and not deserving the win, we should have won.[/quote:3gx4tjo6] [img:3gx4tjo6]http://www.rlfans.com/images/sigs/castigers.gif[/img:3gx4tjo6]:32116.jpg



Quote: vikingsmurf "getting of subject for a moment, whats with these inaccurate quotes stating Crusaders are the highest placed expansion team in superleague? i think you will find thats actually Hull FC. formed from the merger of Hull Sharks and expansion team GATESHEAD THUNDER. :p not to mention huddersfield, who i believe swallowed up the old sheffield 'expansion' club.
Dont forget the most succesful expansion club, castleford formed 31 years after the northern union.

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Quote: pyeman "Dont forget the most succesful expansion club, castleford formed 31 years after the northern union.'"



What you mean Cas are not a heartland team? Kick em out or keep em in (depending on the thickness of your headwear) icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Pepe "No problem. We could call them the ‘Widnes Vikings’, play at the Stboart Stadium Halton, have our reserve team playing in Wrexham – we could call them the Crusaders - and enter SL in 2011 instead of 2012.
Well if your offering to find somewhere to put the spare million that'll help out your neighbours eusa_whistle.gif


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Quote: vikingsmurf "getting of subject for a moment, whats with these inaccurate quotes stating Crusaders are the highest placed expansion team in superleague? i think you will find thats actually Hull FC. formed from the merger of Hull Sharks and expansion team GATESHEAD THUNDER. :p not to mention huddersfield, who i believe swallowed up the old sheffield 'expansion' club.
You really do need some history lessons sushine

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I have to admit I'm not a big follower of the lower leagues but when Cas were relegated the 'prize' was not winning a trophy but gaining promotion. I suspect at least part of the reason for dwindling crowds is that the ultimate goal of promotion to the top flight & watching your team play the big boys is now denied to clubs in the 2nd tier.
I'd be interested to know from fans of Championship clubs if this is the case or not.

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Quote: ExiledTiger "I have to admit I'm not a big follower of the lower leagues but when Cas were relegated the 'prize' was not winning a trophy but gaining promotion. I suspect at least part of the reason for dwindling crowds is that the ultimate goal of promotion to the top flight & watching your team play the big boys is now denied to clubs in the 2nd tier.
I'd be interested to know from fans of Championship clubs if this is the case or not.'"


I was a season ticket holder for 10 seasons running - went to lots of away games - bought a new top every season, RL Express every week and RLW Magazine every month etc, but as soon as they scrapped automatic promotion I gave up on the game.

I've only been to Leigh's new statium for one match (a spur of the moment thing just to see what it was like inside) and have now found other interests outside Rugby League to occupy my time.

Rugby League was the love of my life but the sport betrayed fans like me so I gave up on it.

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Quote: LeighGionaire "I was a season ticket holder for 10 seasons running - went to lots of away games - bought a new top every season, RL Express every week and RLW Magazine every month etc, but as soon as they scrapped automatic promotion I gave up on the game.

I've only been to Leigh's new statium for one match (a spur of the moment thing just to see what it was like inside) and have now found other interests outside Rugby League to occupy my time.

Rugby League was the love of my life but the sport betrayed fans like me so I gave up on it.'"



Sadly you are not alone.

The club I have followed since I was 8 years old has "died" twice since this "great" system has been in force and the crowds have dwindled back to 3 figures.

They really have nothing to play for that would entice the crowds back.

But hey, it's not about the little clubs anymore. It's about giving overseas players a pension/holiday, short term thinking and about the colour of seat you want.

What happens on the field is secondary, and as for coaching/player development icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif .

Yeh like England will definitely win the four nations/world cup/test series etc., etc..

Ah well it's the future and you are quite welcome to it.

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Championship/NL1 average crowds:

2010 - 1,672
2009 - 1,784
2008 - 2,194
2007 - 2,082
2006 - 1,852

So the crowds rose, and then fell back again. There will be an effect from P&R going, but I would suggest the bigger effects have been the recession since SL crowds are falling too and so are footballs, and the fact that SL was increased to 14 teams for 2009 therefore taking away 2 of the top attended clubs from the Championship and lowering the average.

If we take out the figures for the clubs now in SL the averages are:
2010 - 1,672
2009 - 1,784
2008 - 1,969
2007 - 1,745
2006 - 1,681

So the Championship hit its peak in 2008, as I say the licensing system will have had an effect but also in 2009 the recession started to hit and both Salford (2nd highest crowd) and Celtic (5th highest) were taken into the expanded SL and replaced by Toulouse and Doncaster.

If SL were still at 12 teams the average Championship crowd probably wouldn't be much lower than before licensing, especially when taking into account the recession.

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OK, I don't understand. We supposedly are The Greatest Game. We are supposedly a fantastic sport to watch. We supposedly have great community spirit between our teams and their local communities.

But "fans" don't go watch their local team play this great sport simply because they don't like the system that moves clubs between leagues?
How about just being entertained by the spectacle of the sport?

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Quote: ExiledTiger "I have to admit I'm not a big follower of the lower leagues but when Cas were relegated the 'prize' was not winning a trophy but gaining promotion. I suspect at least part of the reason for dwindling crowds is that the ultimate goal of promotion to the top flight & watching your team play the big boys is now denied to clubs in the 2nd tier.
I'd be interested to know from fans of Championship clubs if this is the case or not.'"



1,500 at Leigh last night for what should have been our biggest match of the season

But being on TV and many floating fans losing interest for whatever reasons , be that some poor results on the pitch or the percieved lack of importance to the match led to a very poor turnout , and I can only see it getting worse from now on

Even to myself it was almost a ' relief ' that the season was over

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Lets all blame the recession, some people are really deluded if they think it is just the recession

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Quote: BigRob "Championship/NL1 average crowds as I say the licensing system will have had an effect but also in 2009 the recession started to hit and both Salford (2nd highest crowd) and Celtic (5th highest) were taken into the expanded SL and replaced by Toulouse and Doncaster.

If SL were still at 12 teams the average Championship crowd probably wouldn't be much lower than before licensing, especially when taking into account the recession.'"



A lot of inflated attendances that year as certain clubs had to impress

At celtic when we visted they had 2 coach loads of german tourists in there on a freebie , not to mention an awful lot of service personnel , and a whole load of people who had been to watch the 2 previous matches , then left half way through our game

As for salford they had the 6,500 attendance against Swinton , an attendance they have not been able to match in SL since

Toulouse was supposed to make the Championship ' sexy ' , but that hasn't happened either

Leigh were supposed to get more fans because we have a shiny new stadium , that hasn't happened either

Shame really , the actual competition is very tight , but not enough seem to be too bothered

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