I like it when you make things up. You're so funny. Facts are such pesky things

Are you the same Vatsman who said on page 10 that you were moving on?

did that really go over your head?




where? how can you argue that its making it onto the pitch when you have 11 overseas players



no it isnt, producing one player simply isnt good enough, the law of averages means even if you put no effort at all in to youth development you will eventually produce a player of quality through sheer blind luck,


and here is where you start making excuses again, why poor little wakefield need some help, like they are in a remedial class or something, they are an SL club, and we demand SL results from them, if they cant produce them, then they need to think about whether SL is the right level for them




to detract from your own point, strange choice,

Clubs will bolster their squads with overseas players, some players better than others, depending upon their circumstances.

Some clubs need less overseas players because they are in a better/different situation than another club.

Every club bolsters their squad to some degree,
as do Wakefield

You have your timeline all wrong re Bird and Brad. But never mind it is a good story.

Your Korki comment shows your desperation. He played 21 times last year (over 75%) whereas FW managed 5 (under 20%). You clearly have trouble understanding what reserve grade is - you'll fit in well at wakey!

Your comment on Laws is cheap. You want us to throw him into SL after major surgery - that is sick. You may do that in wakey, not at the Giants.

Ha ha!

Just for the record, Huddersfield are a team with at least as many and maybe more academy products who've played first grade than Wakefield (Jackson, Raleigh, Crabtree, Cudjoe, Lawrence), have far more promising youngsters (McGilvary, Sampson, Lopag, McNally, Johnson, Barber, Chappell, Worthington and loads more at 15/16 signing up). Have higher attendances and ST holders in 2008 than Wakey and well over 5k season ticket holders for this season. We part own our ground, a ground in which the football team have a zero holding which makes it impossible for us to rent off them.

In short, we're developing. We're getting better and better in all areas of development. Other clubs stagnate and in 3 years they may well be out of SL. Many will shed tears when this happens, although quite a few will be tears of joy!

to a much greater level, yes

The club were interested in Thackary at the end of the season, but for whatever reason it didn't work out. More than likely for financial reasons because the club has to make a profit.

Help me out Smokey, i want to understand but are we talking about one signing, or the production of youngsters?

Firstly Demetriou isn't a centre, secondly Grix isn't a second rower, thirdly Latu mainly plays loose, fourth Henderson tends to play second row, fifth Golden wasn't let go, Quins made a substantially higher bid than the club could afford. But in him leaving that has meant that Pitts, Bibb and Ferguson are getting alot more game, surely that's good?

Martin came in at a period when our centre's were developing (Gleeson & Atkins) and when Demetriou was making the transition to the forwards. Kear stated he needed experienced heads to guide the younger players. You cannot simply terminate somebodies contract because it doesn't sit right with a couple of people of fans.

We have good youngsters, we have a decent academy which has had alot of money spent on it recently (But that doesn't mean instant returns). We are working hard in the community, we are working to our limitations in the current climate. The people that matter, know what the club have and are continually doing and can see they're going in the right direction.

I will not say anymore on this matter, i understand what you're saying but everything isn't as cut and dry as it seems.

Well at least Smokey can see the similarity with Korkidas and Winterstein with regards to NRL reserve grade quality even if Marsdengiant can not (or refuses to?!).

However, we know how Korky will play with the comfort of a 3 year contract where as no one knows how Winterstein will fare until he plays an actual game in Super League.

Anyhow, now the cutandpasteathons have started I think I shall leave this topic well alone.

we are talking about Wakefield 'apparantly' needing 11 overseas players this year



but they can lll play there can they not? and Golden leaving so that Pitts Bibb and ferguson could play is neither here nor there when henderson was kept on

so Kear made a mistake in signing him for too long, and now they have to pay his wages which meant Golden left and henderson stayed and they couldnt afford thackray so Winterstein has to come in



forgive me, but im sure i heard this 3 or 4 years ago aswell

But you said you wanted us to throw in youngsters? Why is it any different for you? Do we not have players with injuries in our first team and academy?

So what your saying is Korkidas is a short term replacement to cover for injuries? The same as what FW is for Wakefield? Huddersfield are as guilty as Wakefield are.

However, i chose not to see it that way. I chose to see it as the clubs looking after their youngsters whilst still competing to a high standard.

Played for Samoa in federation cup against England.

He was also in the world cup squad but he got injured.

thanks. was covered a while back.

I think the crux is that out of all the teams in SL, wakey appear to have the worst record on player development, this despite a considerable length of time in the top division and all that goes with it. I know the ground must swallow up a chunk of cash, but surely you must be in a better position than cas, who have spent 2 spells in the lower leagues in recent years, but still have managed to bring through and retain young talent into their 1st team. Most people's perception of wakey is that they have been happy to fill their side with journeymen from overseas at the expense of developing young British talent. Even the quins, in a non RL area, are doing significantly better.

Give me the direct reference where I said that or are you now lying?

Nor have I ever said Korki is short term.

I know it is hard to defend a club of 10 years in SL signing a resreve grader but making up what I say is rather pathetic.

We have overseas guys. You have many more. All the guys we recruited have extensive 1st team experience FW has not. Pretending otherwise is childish.

Everybody says they would like the number of overseas players to come down to ultimately help our national team improve, but I think this thread shows why it's not happening.

The most important thing to the majority of fans is to get one over on their local rivals, by any means neccesary. The bigger picture comes a distant distant second