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| Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "Catalans is not in the Championship. It is in Super League, after decisively defeating lowly Leigh in the MPG. It is unlikely to lose its place in Super League after recently acquiring David Mead, Michael McIlorum, Antoni Maria and Benjamin Jullien.
Toulouse is currently in the Championship, but is likely to be promoted to Super League soon. When that happens the Toulouse player roster, though heavily French, is likely to be strengthened in order to make the team competitive with the "Big Boys" of Super League.'"
Jean, I did say 'Championship QUALITY'. And that's what they are, in my opinion, until they can prove otherwise.
They did decisively beat Leigh in the MPG, and fully deserved to do so, because Leigh were the poorest team in SL, over the season. That's why we are now in the Championship, and you just narrowly avoided being there.
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| Let's just remind ourselves how hard it was for the #1 sport in the World to crack the North American market shall we?
From our friends at Wikihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soccer_in_the_United_States#Re-emergence_and_growth:_1960s_%E2%80%93_2000srl
Quote: 401K retirement vehicle "Two professional soccer leagues were started in 1967, the United Soccer Association and the National Professional Soccer League, which merged to form the North American Soccer League in 1968. The NASL enjoyed a significant boost in popularity when the New York Cosmos signed Pelé to play for three seasons in 1975–77. The Cosmos drew large publicity throughout the late 1970s. Between 1977 and 1980, the Cosmos drew crowds of more than 60,000 on ten occasions, and over 70,000 on seven occasions (see Record attendances in United States club soccer). The NASL declined during the early 1980s and disbanded in 1984. The popularity of indoor soccer peaked in the 1980s, with both the NASL[25] and the Major Indoor Soccer League operating indoor soccer leagues.
The 1970s and 1980s saw increased popularity of the college game. Women's college soccer received a significant boost in 1972 with the passage of Title IX, which mandated equal funding for women's athletic programs,[citation needed] leading to colleges forming NCAA-sanctioned women's varsity teams. A men's match between Saint Louis University and local rival SIU Edwardsville drew a college record 22,512 fans to Busch Stadium on October 30, 1980.[26] By 1984, more colleges played soccer (532) than American football (505).[27]
In 1967 there were 100,000 people playing soccer in the US; by 1984, that number had grown to over 4 million.[27] Girls high school soccer experienced tremendous growth in playing numbers throughout the 1970s and 1980s—from 10,000 in 1976, to 41,000 in 1980, to 122,000 in 1990.[28]
The soccer matches for the 1984 Summer Olympics were well attended. Five matches drew over 75,000 fans, and two soccer matches at the Rose Bowl stadium in Pasadena, California, drew over 100,000 fans.[29] These high attendance figures were one factor that FIFA took into consideration in 1988 when deciding to award the 1994 World Cup to the United States.[30]
Interest in soccer within the United States continued to grow during the 1990s. This growth has been attributed in significant part to the FIFA World Cup being held in the United States for the first time in 1994. This won the sport more attention from both the media and casual sports fans. The tournament was successful, drawing an average attendance of 68,991, a World Cup record that still stands today. The 1994 World Cup drew record TV audiences in the U.S.[31]
As part of the United States' bid to host the 1994 World Cup, U.S. Soccer pledged to create a professional outdoor league. Major League Soccer launched in 1996, which helped develop American players in a way that was not possible without a domestic league. Many of these players competed in the 2002 FIFA World Cup, where the United States reached the quarterfinals, its best result in the modern era.
The growth of the women's game during the 1990s helped increase overall interest in soccer in the United States. The number of women's college soccer teams increased from 318 in 1991 to 959 in 2009.[32] Both the 1999 and 2003 FIFA Women's World Cups were held in the United States. The crowd of over 90,000 at the Rose Bowl for the 1999 FIFA Women's World Cup Final remains the largest crowd in the world to witness any women's sporting event.[33]'"
...back to reality with a thud. We have 1 NA side, with 1 wealthy backer and that side have an impressive PR department as well as a healthy disregard for the salary cap, but they managed to get out of the 3rd tier with a side that cost more than all the other 3rd tier sides combined. This season they have a fixture list that is 100% skewed to favour them both on and off the park and should be challenging for a top tier place. Thus far they have delivered nothing of value to the game other than to dilute the player pool by 30 or so players, have reduced the outlay for their sponsor by spending the first 11 weeks of the year away from home, saving the more money as most of the squad can live with their mammies and yet we find ourselves discussing the conquering of the North American market...........read the bit above in bold red.......they invested heavily in soccer football in the USA and even had the likes of Pele and Georgie Best.....but the way the game grew i the USA was.....drum roll.....from the bottom up with colleges and schools playing the game..........how many schools have the Wolfpack tied in with in Toronto to date? How many colleges in North America have even heard of Rugby League?
Here's another reality check from CNN. rlhttps://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/16/sport/rise-of-american-rugby-ebner-serevi-wooching/index.htmlrl
Quote: 401K retirement vehicle "USA Rugby chief executive Dan Payne calls this younger generation his sport's "401K retirement vehicle" -- a major investment for future success.
"We need to invest today to be able to get the rewards 10, 15 years from now," he told CNN's World Rugby show in Vegas.'"
So soccer tried many times and failed, but eventually go there by getting the kids playing it.....Union is in the process of doing the same thing but some here think an Aussie mining magnet and a PR whiz are going to deliver the magic bullet to rescue the sport of Rugby League....a sport that is stagnant in Australia and declining in its only other heartland........
......I'd suggest we sort out developing/saving the sport in it's 2 heartlands before we start dreaming of NYC v Toronto playing in a packed Giants Stadium with a billion pound TV deal
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| Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "Catalans is not in the Championship. It is in Super League, after decisively defeating lowly Leigh in the MPG. It is unlikely to lose its place in Super League after recently acquiring David Mead, Michael McIlorum, Antoni Maria and Benjamin Jullien.
Toulouse is currently in the Championship, but is likely to be promoted to Super League soon. When that happens the Toulouse player roster, though heavily French, is likely to be strengthened in order to make the team competitive with the "Big Boys" of Super League.'"
What makes you think that Toulouse will be in SL soon? They're a very decent Championship team, but nothing special. Toronto have a good squad (albeit a tad depleted now), but why do you think the SL clubs put together £500k for any team that might get relegated last season (as Leigh were)? The £500k wasn't a "parachute" payment from the RFL, it was "donated" by all the other SL clubs to ensure (IMO) that the relegated club (which could have been Catalans) had the best chance of gaining promotion at the end of 2018. Hence (again IMO), the current SL clubs don't seem to want Toronto or Toulouse in their comp.
All conjecture on my part, but it all makes sense to me.
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| Quote: HXSparky "What makes you think that Toulouse will be in SL soon? They're a very decent Championship team, but nothing special. Toronto have a good squad (albeit a tad depleted now), but why do you think the SL clubs put together £500k for any team that might get relegated last season (as Leigh were)? The £500k wasn't a "parachute" payment from the RFL, it was "donated" by all the other SL clubs to ensure (IMO) that the relegated club (which could have been Catalans) had the best chance of gaining promotion at the end of 2018. Hence (again IMO), the current SL clubs don't seem to want Toronto or Toulouse in their comp.
All conjecture on my part, but it all makes sense to me.'"
Thats as close to reality as ive seen yet
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| Quote: HXSparky "Hence (again IMO), the current SL clubs don't seem to want Toronto or Toulouse in their comp.'"
ADAM PEARSON“If it works, then very possibly. We’re meeting Toronto [Wolfpack] next week and, if they’re serious about coming into Super League and adding new broadcast rights and franchises, then we truly have a global game once the Americans get involved, too.'"
rlhttps://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/jan/07/super-league-clubs-transformed-adam-pearson-hullrl
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| That's a fairly bullish interview with one SL club, and we all know how newspapers report things exactly as said? I was just hypothesising about why the SL clubs would be happy to put together a £500k payment should one of their number be relegated. The only conclusion I could get to is that they'd like that club to have the best chance of rejoining SL at the first opportunity.
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| We absolutely need NA teams in SL. Their fans cheer for anything and have modern stadia. We need that atmosphere to attract sponsors. What must prospective sponsors feel when they turn on SL on sky and see wakefield at home in front of 2000 fans, most of which are hanging off a building that looks like a high rise council block of flats behind the goals with pints in their hands. It’s embarrassing, utterly embarrassing
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| Wow, we're expanding now at a rate of knots. NA is the country code for Namibia.
Given that you mean North America, Ok that's fine, let them create and play in a fantastic RL league across the North American continent, culminating in a 100-0 smashing of Australia (or maybe a 20-18 game against Canada) in the World Cup. But why the **** do they need to play in the UK competition?
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| If Toronto can get a tv deal worth a couple of million a year then i suspect superleague will be happy to have them because it would mean no sky money going to them,the same goes for Toulouse.
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| Quote: Lebron James "We absolutely need NA teams in SL. Their fans cheer for anything and have modern stadia. We need that atmosphere to attract sponsors. What must prospective sponsors feel when they turn on SL on sky and see wakefield at home in front of 2000 fans, most of which are hanging off a building that looks like a high rise council block of flats behind the goals with pints in their hands. It’s embarrassing, utterly embarrassing
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| Quote: j.c "If Toronto can get a tv deal worth a couple of million a year then i suspect superleague will be happy to have them because it would mean no sky money going to them,the same goes for Toulouse.'"
Currently they are on a casino cable channel ad online streaming with a declining sports channel that has lost all of its major programming rights......I doubt they are paid a brass farthing for these rights but as with everything else connected to them, it's smoke and mirrors. They are currently trying to bury the news of the 3 sackings behind the usual plethora of facebook posts including announcing the teams vice captain
As for when they arrive in SL.......I really can't see any broadcaster stepping up to gamble on a sport with 0 foothold other than a rich guy has backed them in a sport that nobody knows about.....
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| Quote: Call Me God "Currently they are on a casino cable channel ad online streaming with a declining sports channel that has lost all of its major programming rights......I doubt they are paid a brass farthing for these rights but as with everything else connected to them, it's smoke and mirrors. They are currently trying to bury the news of the 3 sackings behind the usual plethora of facebook posts including announcing the teams vice captain
Is this tv deal you talk about the one theyve just announced tonight for the 2019 season ? It would be interesting to know if its worth anything but as you say we're not likely to hear anything.Shame really as it might give us some idea what they might get should superleague let them in.
Edit - appologies 2018 season
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| Quote: j.c "Is this tv deal you talk about the one theyve just announced tonight for the 2019 season ? It would be interesting to know if its worth anything but as you say we're not likely to hear anything.Shame really as it might give us some idea what they might get should superleague let them in.
Edit - appologies 2018 season'"
Game TV which is something like DAVE TV in the UK but predominantly Dragons Den, Fishing shows and Whose line is it anyway........and CBC sports online. CBC used to be the #1 sports channel in Canada bt now has one NHL Hockey Match a week and the Olympics, rodeo, figure skating, curling and little league Canadian baseball....it is in an English speaking channel as is Game TV...I'd go as far as to compare CBC Sports online as their version of Premiere.
So ask yourself, if DAVE and Premiere were going to bid for SL rights, how much could they afford?
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| Quote: Lebron James "We absolutely need NA teams in SL. Their fans cheer for anything and have modern stadia. We need that atmosphere to attract sponsors. What must prospective sponsors feel when they turn on SL on sky and see wakefield at home in front of 2000 fans, most of which are hanging off a building that looks like a high rise council block of flats behind the goals with pints in their hands. It’s embarrassing, utterly embarrassing
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King James'"
Yet more nonsense from the pseudo king
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| Quote: Lebron James "We absolutely need NA teams in SL. Their fans cheer for anything and have modern stadia. We need that atmosphere to attract sponsors. What must prospective sponsors feel when they turn on SL on sky and see wakefield at home in front of 2000 fans, most of which are hanging off a building that looks like a high rise council block of flats behind the goals with pints in their hands. It’s embarrassing, utterly embarrassing
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King James'"
You forgot to mention that Belle Vue is a blight on the health of the poor people of Wakefield since it is a rodent infested monument to pre-World War 2 building codes. It is surely an embarrassment to rugby league. That is why I refer to woeful Wakefield.
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