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| Quote ="EastHullUTR"Just me who thinks (Seriously) Leigh are better for SL then Toulouse. Leigh have a state of the art modern stadium with a strong fan base that could realistically get up to the 5/6k mark in super league (I may be off with that number) and Toulouse play out of some farm in the middle of no where and barely have any fans. Seems to me they're only deemed 'good for the game' because they are French.'"
Easty *could be a more memorable name* ....
Leigh were the 8th best supported team in SL over all SL games Inc Q8's in 2017 with an average of circa 6,700 ish give or take, better than Salford, Wakey, Widnes
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Leigh should not be in SL until they get their house in order re fiscal management & whimsical decision making regarding coaching & playing staff, I do hope that Leigh return a better structured Club because I feel that even a mid table Leigh with 2 or 3 years in the SL hot seat could attract an average of over 8k !
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| Quote ="Ste100Centurions"Easty *could be a more memorable name* ....
Leigh were the 8th best supported team in SL over all SL games Inc Q8's in 2017 with an average of circa 6,700 ish give or take, better than Salford, Wakey, Widnes
& 1 other.
Leigh should not be in SL until they get their house in order re fiscal management & whimsical decision making regarding coaching & playing staff, I do hope that Leigh return a better structured Club because I feel that even a mid table Leigh with 2 or 3 years in the SL hot seat could attract an average of over 8k !'"
Totally agree Ste, good post mate. 
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| I honestly believe that Toronto will 'deserve' a place in SL 2019, providing they finish in the top three of the Middle 8's or win the £1Million game. I believe that, because they will have 'jumped through the hoops' they were asked to jump through, from the moment they entered League 1. Likewise with Toulouse.
However, is it just me, or does anyone else struggle with the concept of non-British teams in our league structure? I cannot, for the life of me, get my head around, how it improves French RL, to have had Catalans in SL. The French national team has possibly gone backwards, since their inclusion in SL, and the majority of the best French players are not playing in their national competition, thereby lowering standards in that league. Presumably, the inclusion of Toulouse in SL (or the Championship) is further diluting the talent and standards in the French Elite 1 league.
In the case of Toronto, (or any other North American city) it is the standards in British RL that are being lowered. Inevitably, until they can develop their own talent, North American clubs will be drawing heavily on the British (and Australasian) talent pools, thereby removing many of the talented players in this country. Just imagine a North American club, employing say 20 British players and each new club doing likewise. That would amount to 100 players leaving British clubs, if just five North American clubs were to be set up. I would suggest we can ill-afford to lose 'talent' on that scale.
Now picture the 'dream' scenario of some of our more 'progressive' followers, of a Super League consisting say five British clubs, five North American, and two French. How would the American public buy into seeing say New York v St Helens? ("who?", I hear them say) How much more would they want to see New York v Washington? And, if the game took off over there, how quickly would they ditch the likes of St Helens, Wigan, Warrington, Leeds etc? And, what would have happened to British RL in the years while the game was being established, over the other side of the World?
I guess I am anti-expansion, internationally, but would be much more keen to see the game stabilised in the 'heartlands' and then expand in the UK, before we look farther afield.
Anyway, good luck to Toronto, for the remainder of the Middle 8's. They have, so far, done everything we asked of them - it's just that I think we shouldn't have asked them, in the first place! 
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| Well, London have put the cat among the pigeons. Beaten Salford 11-8.
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"Well, London have put the cat among the pigeons. Beaten Salford 11-8.'"
Well done London, no easy beats Salford atm.
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| Quote ="Alan"I honestly believe that Toronto will 'deserve' a place in SL 2019, providing they finish in the top three of the Middle 8's or win the £1Million game. I believe that, because they will have 'jumped through the hoops' they were asked to jump through, from the moment they entered League 1. Likewise with Toulouse.
However, is it just me, or does anyone else struggle with the concept of non-British teams in our league structure? I cannot, for the life of me, get my head around, how it improves French RL, to have had Catalans in SL. The French national team has possibly gone backwards, since their inclusion in SL, and the majority of the best French players are not playing in their national competition, thereby lowering standards in that league. Presumably, the inclusion of Toulouse in SL (or the Championship) is further diluting the talent and standards in the French Elite 1 league.
In the case of Toronto, (or any other North American city) it is the standards in British RL that are being lowered. Inevitably, until they can develop their own talent, North American clubs will be drawing heavily on the British (and Australasian) talent pools, thereby removing many of the talented players in this country. Just imagine a North American club, employing say 20 British players and each new club doing likewise. That would amount to 100 players leaving British clubs, if just five North American clubs were to be set up. I would suggest we can ill-afford to lose 'talent' on that scale.
Now picture the 'dream' scenario of some of our more 'progressive' followers, of a Super League consisting say five British clubs, five North American, and two French. How would the American public buy into seeing say New York v St Helens? ("who?", I hear them say) How much more would they want to see New York v Washington? And, if the game took off over there, how quickly would they ditch the likes of St Helens, Wigan, Warrington, Leeds etc? And, what would have happened to British RL in the years while the game was being established, over the other side of the World?
I guess I am anti-expansion, internationally, but would be much more keen to see the game stabilised in the 'heartlands' and then expand in the UK, before we look farther afield.
Anyway, good luck to Toronto, for the remainder of the Middle 8's. They have, so far, done everything we asked of them - it's just that I think we shouldn't have asked them, in the first place!
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See this is the thing I have a problem with. “We should stable the heartlands first” how? Why? We have been trying for over a century and the game is at its lowest ebb in this country. It’s dying and we can’t resuscitate it. I’m sorry but that is a fact. So what if North American teams don’t have any North American players in the short term. The raptors still don’t have been established for decades. The reason we are trying the North American market is because they are nuts for sports. Whilst our kids would rather take photos on Instagram or play Fifa, their kids are out every night of the week playing sport. Just look at the amateur leagues over here. What is there? About 10 different clubs in the north west counties? Rest of the leagues filled with these 10 clubs a and b teams? Toronto are pulling in 6-7k crowds in a year. That is the kind of market we need to tap into
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| That means Widnes will be relegated tonight if they don’t win as 5th spot will be out of reach.
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| Every game matters in the Qualifiers, dead rubbers in the Super 8s 
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| At half time Toulouse are fighting neck and neck with a Todd Carney-bolstered, Tim Sheens-coached, Hull KR.
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| This is the first time I've watched Toronto play. Clearly moulded in the image of their head coach - make up for all the shortfalls in talent and ability with cheap tactics and try to injure opponents.
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| Quote ="TheUnassumingBadger"This is the first time I've watched Toronto play. Clearly moulded in the image of their head coach - make up for all the shortfalls in talent and ability with cheap tactics and try to injure opponents.'"
I really want to like Toronto but I just can’t gel with the way they play, much prefer how Toulouse go about their business
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| Saints win. Warrington get leathered. Toulouse giving hull kr an absolutely lesson. A Toronto win and this would be a great Saturday
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| Another disastrous set of results for the sport. Toronto's potential promotion to SL will just introduce more brutish thuggery like we have seen from the likes of Catalans.
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| There we go. What a Saturday!
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| Just need Fax to turn it on tomorrow and then a perfect set of Championship wins against the SL elite. 
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| ONE OF THE GREATEST DAYS IN THE HISTORY OF RUGBY LEAGUE.
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| So with how the fixtures look next week I see:
Salford winning
Hull KR winning
Leeds Winning
London winning
I think the PD will end up better for London than Toronto so can see a MPG of London vs Toronto. Hope London come back up. May be in a minority but would like to see them promoted.
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| Quote ="Lebron James"=#FF0000See this is the thing I have a problem with. “We should stable the heartlands first” how? Why? We have been trying for over a century and the game is at its lowest ebb in this country. It’s dying and we can’t resuscitate it. I’m sorry but that is a fact. So what if North American teams don’t have any North American players in the short term. The raptors still don’t have been established for decades. The reason we are trying the North American market is because they are nuts for sports. Whilst our kids would rather take photos on Instagram or play Fifa, their kids are out every night of the week playing sport. Just look at the amateur leagues over here. What is there? About 10 different clubs in the north west counties? Rest of the leagues filled with these 10 clubs a and b teams? Toronto are pulling in 6-7k crowds in a year. That is the kind of market we need to tap into
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That's your opinion, and I respect that. I have an opinion and it differs from yours. End of! 
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| Quote ="Alan"That's your opinion, and I respect that. I have an opinion and it differs from yours. End of!
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Sorry Alan. I didn’t mean I had a problem with what you said per se. I just meant the whole heartlands issue. You gave a great statement as to your opinion and I can only respect that
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| Quote ="Lebron James"There we go. What a Saturday!
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Are you actually British ?
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"Folk are interested in a sport, or they are not. Nothing can make them do otherwise. Lebron, you do not deserve my calm/sensible response, you are just a wind up merchant....and you know it.
Nice of you to visit the Leigh forum with your usual type of post. Come on Widnes !!!!
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How did Widnes get on today? That’s 2 clubs you’ve supported in the past 2 years that have been relegated lol
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| Although great win today Toulouse might be left cursing letting 2nd place in the Championship slip (and thus 4 home games in the qualifiers). They had that spot until the final round when they let London overtake them on points difference.
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"Are you actually British ?
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Only half English. My dad was foreign
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| Quote ="Lebron James"How did Widnes get on today? That’s 2 clubs you’ve supported in the past 2 years that have been relegated lol
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Widnes lost 20-12 to Toronto Wolfpack.
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| Quote ="Lebron James"Only half English. My dad was foreign
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