The guy came here as a pro RL player and is still that. It's not like he cane from nothing.

My point this 'I want to be English' attitude has cone about this last week (no mention when signed new deal?) and he was desperate for Kiwi chance, didn't get it now we jump in and act like he's a martyr.

As I say if he wants to become a citizen and withdraw from exile selections until then fair enough. Who does he play for in that next year?

How can it be xenophobic? I have no issue with him living, playing here whatsoever. It's a delight tbh. Issue is representing England RL that's the ONLY issue, period. Talk of racism / xenophobia is just people who can't really fight the actual point.

Personally I'd prefer it to be citizenship (can still qualify from living here etc). How can I guy whose played 3 seasons here and probably every off season back home rightly qualify? 28/30 months?

As i've also said if Chase had stated his intent start of the year at least fair play but fact is it's a new thing after not gaining Kiwi selection.

No, qualifying for England comes before being the best. He qualifies.

Precedent? You clearly have no clue what that word means. National eligibility rules are not the subject of common law so no precedent can be set. Even if it were, Chase isn't the first player to represent England under these rules so he can't have set a precedent.

This is meaningless, Joey


There is no way on Earth that you can know that for sure. Only predudice can draw you to such a conclusion, without full knowledge.


England


No it is not. It could very easily be based on racism, very easily. I don't actually think it is though. Not from what I have read here, anyway.

I'll take #1 any day, and it's not racist, old skool, or narrow minded to hold that opinion. Simply because some people disagree with the direction the international game is heading, doesn't make us any more entrenched than you are in your opinion. Neither does it mean we're being down on the game.

Bottom line is, it prevents a player who should otherwise get the opportunity from getting it. That's bad news for his development, and given he's probably represented England at junior level for a few years - and who know's even beaten the Aussies in a test series! - probably leaves him feeling a bit dejected. Or is the idea that they should be motivated?

Spot on that man/woman.

Where do you draw the line with these things? Some saying it would be OK if he was a citizen, others if he has parents, others grandparents, others he has to be born on English soil. Plenty of qualifying Aussie and NZ players over here that don't have a chance of getting into their national team who don't want to play for England, although they may well be good enough. Rangi WANTS to play and is eligable. That will do for me. You get English players born and bred who put club before country whereas Rangi is saying "I want it"

Your opinion is based on your misguided whim. It is a whim which you desperately cling to, despite all the evidence which shows that your ideal situation is wrong and doesn't exist anywhere in Pro team sport. That is an entrenched view.

My view is based on the laws of international sport. Therefore, the logical view, which you cannot accept.

It can be seen as xenophobic because you only want English born athletes playing for England. You and others don't want Rangi to represent England just because he was born elsewhere. Therein lies what can be seen to be xenophobia. You want to deny him the ability to represent England even though he is just as English as the rest of us because he lives here, works here, pays his taxes etc etc. Despite him being just as eligible as all other English athletes to play you want to prevent him because you see him as different. That is how it can be seen to be xenophobic. National identity or the eligibility to represent a nation is far more complex than just being born in a country.

English citizens I said

Not in response to the saying he's some sort of role model to the likes of refugee's.



Not fo a week but interview 2 months back was talking about playing for NZ!


Again can't be sure and if he wasn't selected would he not just pay for exiles of chosen?

No it is not. It could very easily be based on racism, very easily. I don' actually think it is though. Not from what I have read here, anyway.'"

What are you talking about you utter spoon!?



So, everyone who ever migrates to this country is fleeing war??

Doesn't the fact he is being treated as some sort of 'signing' show what's wrong with the international system though?

Racism no. But I think Xenophobia might be kicking in for some. It is a pretty irrational fear not to want Rangi to play even though he qualifies under the rules as English and he wants to play.

xen·o·phobe (zn-fb, zn-)
n.
A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples