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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: Hear Ye! "Arghh!! It's the same argument all the time.. but I must admit it is a very low number of fans.

London has had a pro RL team for about 30 years now....but haven't had a base or team for that long...they've been Fulham, London Crusaders, London Broncos, Harlequins RL.. they've also moved all over London, which I have to inform you (if you live in a bubble and didn't realise) is a rather large city. You can't just jump on one bus and get to the ground from all of London...nor will one train get you there. The commute to and from the game is always going to isolate half the city or more. Unless you drive (and the roads can be a nightmare) it is a long journey that lots of people can't be bothered with...especially when it's cold, hammering with rain and the opposition isn't exactly a title contender.

You then have 3 or 4 professional RU clubs in the city (which have a large fan base of people generally already converted to RU and not willing to give RL a chance), then you have 5 premiership football teams around the city who take up most of the other sport support....you aren't left with much of a willing audience.

No disrespect, but towns/cities like Leigh, Widnes, Halifax etc don't have these barriers to stop match day attendances rising...so, coupled with the long heritage of growing up with a settled team and culture of RL these teams probably do have a higher volume supporters.

RL in London is critical, maybe not everyone can see it....and I admit it is hard to accept when your team is kept out of SL because of the London team...but the number of players taking up and developing in the sport in the South East is massive, as such a pro top tier level team is crucial in order to give them a goal to aim for. In the next 5-10 years it will increase the player pool England/GB can select from and give us the possibility of beating the Aussies (as it clearly hasn't worked for some time with the current production of players of the so called big teams!!)

But, hey that's just my opinion!!'"


So us having Man Utd , Man City ,Liverpool , Everton ,Wigan Athletic ,Bolton ,W1g4n worryiers ,Warrington wolves ,Saint helens and Salford on our doorstep isnt a draw for our potential fan base is it ? icon_wink.gif

Not forgetting that travel between the furthest apart is around 40 minutes by car , whereas its 3 days to get from one side of the ' smoke ' to the other icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Hear Ye! "Not to turn this to an RU post..but..

Quins play in Twickenham and train at Surrey Sports.

Saracens are only slightly outside of London (Watford)....for now, talk of them moving nearer the City.

London Irish train in Sunbury and only play their pro matches in Reading....as such large amounts of their supporter base and junior/family set up members live in South West London

London Wasps (breakaway team from Quins) train in Acton and play their games in Wycombe (again not far off London)

As such many RU fans in London follow one of these teams'"


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Not sure if this has been posted or not but the picture on the guardian website says it all. Don't want to re-hash all the same arguments but things are clearly not working out at the stoop.

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Quote: Starbug "So us having Man Utd , Man City ,Liverpool , Everton ,Wigan Athletic ,Bolton ,W1g4n worryiers ,Warrington wolves ,Saint helens and Salford on our doorstep isnt a draw for our potential fan base is it ?

As a RL team....I'm pretty certain anyone born and bred in Leigh wouldn't support Wigan RL, St Helens, Salford, Warrington etc.

Again, Probably both Manchester teams would be the contest for Leigh support levels...the other's are based in Liverpool or further away areas.

My post highlights the issue of "London"....I have as such named the teams of both football and RU that fall under that city. I appreciate there are many teams around Leigh - because it is in the RL hotbed of Lancashire. Without driving, can you get from Leigh (and again I only use this as an example because of your post) on one train or bus to Bolton Wanderers? Not that it really matters...its just an example. Halifax etc are other clubs that bring the crowd issue against Quins also.

If you look at it in reverse...how many top RU teams are in that area...I guess Sale at a push. So you only have football to compete with.

I've only named 2 other sports that London has to compete with...there are more.

......

And the issue of the other RU teams playing outside of London at present is an odd argument...as they all originated in the London area, yet moved in a couple of cases away to a neighboring town for their games....as such the supporter base will still attract those in the London area to them. 3 of the 4 teams I mentioned still have their main "hq" or base in London.

......

Anyway, back to the actual point and post in question....allowed myself to get taken off course by a couple of pointless replies there! ..... London is vital on many levels to RL...Quins may not be the right place, but there isn't room in London to house a team in a good stadium or to build a new one. That's the problem they face....as such whilst staying in one location no more than a decade (at most) they haven't been able to build a community or large following....just a few thousand loyal fans who'll follow all over the city.

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Quote: Hear Ye! "Arghh!! It's the same argument all the time.. but I must admit it is a very low number of fans.

London has had a pro RL team for about 30 years now....but haven't had a base or team for that long...they've been Fulham, London Crusaders, London Broncos, Harlequins RL.. they've also moved all over London, which I have to inform you (if you live in a bubble and didn't realise) is a rather large city. You can't just jump on one bus and get to the ground from all of London...nor will one train get you there. The commute to and from the game is always going to isolate half the city or more. Unless you drive (and the roads can be a nightmare) it is a long journey that lots of people can't be bothered with...especially when it's cold, hammering with rain and the opposition isn't exactly a title contender.

You then have 3 or 4 professional RU clubs in the city (which have a large fan base of people generally already converted to RU and not willing to give RL a chance), then you have 5 premiership football teams around the city who take up most of the other sport support....you aren't left with much of a willing audience.

No disrespect, but towns/cities like Leigh, Widnes, Halifax etc don't have these barriers to stop match day attendances rising...so, coupled with the long heritage of growing up with a settled team and culture of RL these teams probably do have a higher volume supporters.

RL in London is critical, maybe not everyone can see it....and I admit it is hard to accept when your team is kept out of SL because of the London team...but the number of players taking up and developing in the sport in the South East is massive, as such a pro top tier level team is crucial in order to give them a goal to aim for. In the next 5-10 years it will increase the player pool England/GB can select from and give us the possibility of beating the Aussies (as it clearly hasn't worked for some time with the current production of players of the so called big teams!!)

But, hey that's just my opinion!!'"


Maybe the same argument but it is also the same excuses i'm sure you'll agree? I'd even push to say it's harder to gain fans in the heartlands for some clubs as they like RL yes but will already have club aleigences, should a fan down south get into there RL then Quins RL stand out as there one option?

I know it's easy saying but as has been mentioned earlier you need to get those kids playing RL in the area into the Stoop! Only say what 1/20 will make the academy or what have you, so you need ot make sure at least 5 out of the rest are going to the ground on a regular basis.

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Quote: J20 "Maybe the same argument but it is also the same excuses i'm sure you'll agree? I'd even push to say it's harder to gain fans in the heartlands for some clubs as they like RL yes but will already have club aleigences, should a fan down south get into there RL then Quins RL stand out as there one option?

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I know it's easy saying but as has been mentioned earlier you need to get those kids playing RL in the area into the Stoop! Only say what 1/20 will make the academy or what have you, so you need ot make sure at least 5 out of the rest are going to the ground on a regular basis.'"


b]This is very true....]once a child or person discovers RL then more than likely they'll follow the local team....which would be Quins RL in London....unless of course the person is a glory hunter and decides to watch the Sky games which tend to be Leeds, St Helens or Wigan every other week. Then they tend to begin following these teams as distant support - as they have no reason to dislike a local neighboring team]. ]


I completely agree....Quins job should be 95% aiming at getting these kids to come to games and they shouldn't be charged for this. It must be going on....but more effort is needed to turn the parents and families towards RL so that they are willing to spend their money on RL and not RU and football etc.

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Quote: "Not sure if this has been posted or not but the picture on the guardian website says it all. Don't want to re-hash all the same arguments but things are clearly not working out at the stoop.'"


If I was to suggest that stand in the picture down the side of the pitch wasnt open would that suprise you?

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Brilliant journalistic licence to take a picture from the corner of one stand that isn't open of the other stand that isn't open!!!

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Quote: Hear Ye! "As a RL team....I'm pretty certain anyone born and bred in Leigh wouldn't support Wigan RL, St Helens, Salford, Warrington etc.

Again, Probably both Manchester teams would be the contest for Leigh support levels...the other's are based in Liverpool or further away areas.

My post highlights the issue of "London"....I have as such named the teams of both football and RU that fall under that city. I appreciate there are many teams around Leigh - because it is in the RL hotbed of Lancashire. Without driving, can you get from Leigh (and again I only use this as an example because of your post) on one train or bus to Bolton Wanderers? Not that it really matters...its just an example. Halifax etc are other clubs that bring the crowd issue against Quins also.

If you look at it in reverse...how many top RU teams are in that area...I guess Sale at a push. So you only have football to compete with.

I've only named 2 other sports that London has to compete with...there are more.

......

And the issue of the other RU teams playing outside of London at present is an odd argument...as they all originated in the London area, yet moved in a couple of cases away to a neighboring town for their games....as such the supporter base will still attract those in the London area to them. 3 of the 4 teams I mentioned still have their main "hq" or base in London.

......

Anyway, back to the actual point and post in question....allowed myself to get taken off course by a couple of pointless replies there! ..... London is vital on many levels to RL...Quins may not be the right place, but there isn't room in London to house a team in a good stadium or to build a new one. That's the problem they face....as such whilst staying in one location no more than a decade (at most) they haven't been able to build a community or large following....just a few thousand loyal fans who'll follow all over the city.'"



I see more W1g4n , Wire and Saints shirts in Leigh during the week than Leigh ones

We are almost exactly in the middle of Manchester and Liverpool , and both are easily accessable by bus and there are large numbers of fans in the town of all 4 clubs

Yes you can catch a bus outside my house that will take you directly to either Bolton Wanderers and W1g4n athletic

Dont forget that because we dont have problems with parking and dont have a transport system like the tube more people probably travel by car up here than down there

And even though we have 2 of the top amatuer clubs less than half a mile from the LSV , very few of those players both junior and senior ever come watching Leigh Centurions , it seems to me RL is either played or watched , not both , so even though Quins have helped in the development of several southern originated players , it doesn't follw that lots of people playing will equate to people watching

What the answer is I can only guess , and that is it requires money , lots of it

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Quote: Paddock Punter "Brilliant journalistic licence to take a picture from the corner of one stand that isn't open of the other stand that isn't open!!!'"


While carefully making sure that the stand which is open isn't included in the pic …

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Quote: tb "While carefully making sure that the stand which is open isn't included in the pic …'"


But surely it is slightly worrying that they only need to open one stand in a stadium with a capacity of around 10/12 thousand , wouldn't you say ?

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Quote: Starbug "But surely it is slightly worrying that they only need to open one stand in a stadium with a capacity of around 10/12 thousand , wouldn't you say ?'"


Yup, which may have been the point of the picture! Had he shot teh centre of the open stand looking pretty full wouldn't of shown the story really would it!

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That's why we open two!

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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: Paddock Punter "That's why we open two!'"


Was there anybody in the other one ?

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