They’ve won the 1895 cup alongside the Championship grand final, they’ve significantly improved their facilities and significantly improved their financial position. It’s a well deserved grade increase.

I think "Wolves" is the most failed name of all the 90s SL rebrands.

Plenty of people do refer to the other teams as "the Rhinos", "the Bulls", "the Giants" etc.

Every now again someone who doesn't really follow rugby but knows I support Warrington will refer to "the Wolves" when making small talk with me, eg "are the Wolves playing this weekend?"

As said above, it just sounds weird. I've never heard anyone who genuinely supports us refer to us as anything other than the Wire/Wires, and other teams' fans call us that too. No one chants support for the Wolves, and no one calls us that.

The club tried for years to shake off the Wire nickname because they clearly wanted Wolves to stick for marketing purposes. Once they accepted that was never going to happen they should have done what Wakefield did.

Both played by part time teams if I'm not mistaken?

I guess I'm saying the system has rewarded them for being relegated. If they would've stayed up and battled with Hull and London for a year, would they have increased? Hull are likely to go down in grading, would they have gone up if they got relegated last year and won?

Not a specific dig at Wakey, their improvement off field is promising but I don't get how winning in a poorer league is "better" than losing in a tougher league.

I don't think it really matters what your actual score is other than getting you into Super League or not does it? Hull have a stadium and fan base that means they're always going to score high enough for that.

Wakefield scored higher than London in the first place, hence everyone knowing a year ago that Wakefield would probably get straight back to Super League and only restructuring to 14 teams could save London, regardless of either team's on field performance.

As it is, the fact that under normal P+R, London would have got relegated and Wakefield promoted makes it look a bit better. We all knew what was coming though.

So would you keep London in who have been nomads with their playing bases, and poor attendances and finished bottom of the league Philth ?, if it was straight relegation and promotion Wakefield would be in SL any way, so the gradings would not be nessesary, but as it is they have spent big regarding stadium issues and had the gonads to keep a full time squad, which could have easily back fired, a squad that would have beaten a few of the bottom half clubs in SL and with a bigger fan base, Wakefield didn't create IMG, but did their utmost on and off the field to achive the best grading that they could, we will have to see next season, if they are in SL, how they react.

So basically as we were in 2023.

1. St Helens. 17.02
2. Wigan Warriors, 16.91
3. Leeds Rhinos, 16.84
4. Warrington Wolves, 16.27
5. Hull KR, 15.97
6. Catalans Dragons, 15.52
7. Leigh Leopards, 15.13
8. Wakefield Trinity, 15.09
9. Castleford Tigers, 15.02
10. Hull FC, 14.51
11. Huddersfield Giants, 14.48
12. Salford Red Devils, 13.97

I don’t fully understand how it works or the behind the scenes but for the life of me can someone explain how Castleford are grade A

Some big changes from 2023.

the more you think about it, the more offensive it is

Salford only just scraped in. Lucky they've had a couple of good seasons on the field.

Not about London or Wakefield really, I'm questioning the process, those 2 are an example but throw Hull, Hudds and Salford in there. If there's 5 points for performance and Hudds get 2 for a crap season in Super League and Wakey get 5 for a good season in the league below, it doesn't feel like apples to apples comparison.


All a mute point because there's more on offer and the Wakey chairman has thrown some money and structure at the club.

Any banding that puts Hull FC in the same category as Workington Town is pointless.

On the plus side at least the other clubs know what they need to do to get into SL.

Understand your point, but the swings are not that extreme and Wakey don't get near 5 points. Only Wigan would have scored 5 points as they finished top (4 points), won the Grand final (0.75 points), and won the challenge cup (0.25 Points).

Wakey finished 10th, 12th and 13th in the last 3 years, so I would guess their points to be 3.131 2.781 for league position and +0.25 for Champ Grand Final and +0.1 for 1895 cup.

Huddersfield finished 3rd, 9th and 9th for last 3 years, so their points I think would be 3.314, so better than Wakeys.

Just to show the difference a team finishing 11th for 3 years would score 2.857, so Wakeys score has benefitted to being runaway winners due to them being full time, but then they have had an owner that has supported that financially with little to no central funding, they just got a little lucky as the likes of Featherstone and Toulouse aren't funding similar squads, but the benefit of that was only 0.35 points - though a benefit none the less.