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| Quote: pmarrow "Ive never liked no P + R and wont like it again. Just doesnt do it for me, but if this comes in could be the final nail in the coffin for me with this sport.
The product is poor as it is without taking less interest away.'"
Understand your view but the current setup doesn't work either, the promoted team finds out they have been promoted far too late and stands little chance of staying up. Leigh have spent heavily but can't fully plan next year until Monday, and always a risk there's a bout of Covid in the camp, injuries, freak weather etc and they unexpectedly lose the final.
Whatever system we are using the Championship needs to be first past the post for the champions, to give them more time to plan and the final doesnt exactly set attendance records anyway.
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| Quote: UllFC "Understand your view but the current setup doesn't work either, the promoted team finds out they have been promoted far too late and stands little chance of staying up. Leigh have spent heavily but can't fully plan next year until Monday, and always a risk there's a bout of Covid in the camp, injuries, freak weather etc and they unexpectedly lose the final.
Whatever system we are using the Championship needs to be first past the post for the champions, to give them more time to plan and the final doesnt exactly set attendance records anyway.'"
Good post. I would prefer P&R - Bottom club down, top of champ up. The promoted team should be given a seasons grace, and then they could still incorporate the Cat B structure as well. If a top championship team feels they're not quite a Cat B superleague club whilst playing in the championship, they have nothing to play for in the whole of the season. So it should be 1 up 1 down with a seasons grace to the promoted team.
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| Quote: UllFC "Understand your view but the current setup doesn't work either, the promoted team finds out they have been promoted far too late and stands little chance of staying up. Leigh have spent heavily but can't fully plan next year until Monday, and always a risk there's a bout of Covid in the camp, injuries, freak weather etc and they unexpectedly lose the final.
Whatever system we are using the Championship needs to be first past the post for the champions, to give them more time to plan and the final doesnt exactly set attendance records anyway.'"
Im thinking more of the side at the bottom of SL towards the back end of the season with little to play for. Didnt work last time and wont again. Also very vague on how you actually go down, it will further the gap in my opinion between teams who have a shiny stadium to those that dont.
Its not right that anything other then on the pitch performances is rewarded. Dont like it for me on the principal.
All the successful franchise systems in sport only add to the elite and not take away. To think you could finish 5th one season and be relegated because a club in the lower league have better bogs for example is just wrong. Its not a sport in my opinion.
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| Quote: pmarrow "Im thinking more of the side at the bottom of SL towards the back end of the season with little to play for. Didnt work last time and wont again. Also very vague on how you actually go down, it will further the gap in my opinion between teams who have a shiny stadium to those that dont.
Its not right that anything other then on the pitch performances is rewarded. Dont like it for me on the principal.
All the successful franchise systems in sport only add to the elite and not take away. To think you could finish 5th one season and be relegated because a club in the lower league have better bogs for example is just wrong. Its not a sport in my opinion.'"
Agree that there are downsides, and in my opinion Hull got lazy during the last franchise era, we finished 2nd bottom in 2009 but it all felt very apathetic at the club, if our SL place was on the line some mid season signings would have appeared.
There needs to be a big weighting towards on the field performances. Salford for example will score low on crowds, income and the stadium deal issue but they can argue they've been to 2 finals in 4 years and unearthed 2 man of steels.
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| Quote: UllFC "Wakefield and Cas will be dusting off those artists impressions and throwing the CEO a hiviz and shovel for the photos'"
You do know a brand new New stand is under construction now at Wakefield. One of the main criteria should be owning your own ground so you're not a soccer clubs bitch.
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| Quote: hooligan27 "Why scrap promotion / relegation. Just killing off the championship clubs leaving nothing to play for and same at the bottom end of the table in SL
Basically the championship will be years of friendly's and that it did not work last time and wont work most fans will not bother'"
It's pointless when every year the team promoted is relagated.
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| Quote: hooligan27 "Why scrap promotion / relegation. Just killing off the championship clubs leaving nothing to play for and same at the bottom end of the table in SL
Basically the championship will be years of friendly's and that it did not work last time and wont work most fans will not bother'"
That's the whole point. Until they, as a club are good enough to get promoted they shouldn't have the chance.
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| Quote: puroresu_boy "It's pointless when every year the team promoted is relagated.'"
Then give the promoted club a seasons grace.
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| Quote: UllFC "Agree that there are downsides, and in my opinion Hull got lazy during the last franchise era, we finished 2nd bottom in 2009 but it all felt very apathetic at the club, if our SL place was on the line some mid season signings would have appeared.
There needs to be a big weighting towards on the field performances. Salford for example will score low on crowds, income and the stadium deal issue but they can argue they've been to 2 finals in 4 years and unearthed 2 man of steels.'"
Until we see criteria its anyones guess but they should be trying to increase full time teams and this system will do anything but that. I dont think the likes of Cas or Wakefield have had outdated stadiums by choice, there is no money in the game.
This is destined to see teams spend what they dont have.
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| Quote: wotsupcas "You do know a brand new New stand is under construction now at Wakefield. One of the main criteria should be owning your own ground so you're not a soccer clubs bitch.'"
A brand new stand? What happened to the new stadium they promised last time franchises were on the table
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| Why have the RFL paid a small fortune (I imagine) for IMG to make a few suggestions. If the RFL don't know what the answer is, then there is no hope for the sport in this country. Maybe IMG should be asked to help County Championship cricket as well, good luck with that. Like RL over here, it is what it is, and nothing will ever change.
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| Promotion and Relegation based on on the field performance is better than your league being decided by an independent body. However if you happen to have the same or better franchising category* than the team that finished bottom, and win the Championship, then you should be promoted to the Super League. This IMG plan suggests you could have a great season on the pitch and still be relegated which is taking things too far.
Lets face it franchising was unfair last time because the only difference between the smaller super league clubs and the larger championship clubs is the Sky money.
*Assuming they don't hand the good scores to clubs that are about to go bust, but they get bonus points because they are in a new county/principality/country.
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| the worst thing that could have happen end was for IMGs first engagement with the RL Family was an opportunity to say "seen that" "didn't work" "Been there got the t-shirt an still feeling the pain"
But that's exactly what they have done... and they haven't even thought through the full application and deployment of the idea..
this is an awful piece of work and, if indicative of the quality of IMGs work, is a clear warning.
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| So we know that clubs in SL in danger of relegation have difficulty planning long-term and getting players to sign up when they aren't certain their team will be in the league the following year.
And this proposal creates an entire cohort of "Category B" clubs in SL who will be reassessed *every year* to see if they remain in the top flight.
That simply reinforces the uncertainty and instability around those clubs and makes it almost impossible for them to plan long-term on the field (which in turn make off-field investments much more difficult to finance).
It also absolutely bakes in the dominance of Category A clubs who can sign the best players to long term contracts without any of the worries of the B clubs.
In short, this is worse than licensing, which at least gave a bit of medium-term stability to all clubs, but caused decay and decline in the Championship.
But it's also worse than P&R, which only caused uncertainty at a relatively small number of clubs.
Madness.
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| A Clubs - St Helens, Wigan, Leeds, Catalans, Warrington, Hull
B Clubs - Hull KR, Huddersfield
Lower B Clubs - Wakefield, Castleford, Salford, Leigh, Toulouse, London, York
With everyone else being C. That's my prediction
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