But it's how this all started. Wigan fans say Sironen milked a penalty and suddenly it's turned on Farrell.

Neither were conning the ref because they were both penalties which, however, the ref originally waved play on to. If both players get up and play the ball nothing happens.

Sironen staying down gave the VR chance to look at it and advise the ref. All you hear Liam Moore say is "5". He doesn't blow up, he doesn't ask for a check. He calls the tackle and is ready to play on.

Farrell stayed down first half, but guess what.....it was a penalty which again someone clearly told Moore in his ear because he called play on.

Both were penalties and neither player "conned the ref"

Good to see the RFL reverting to type and giving Matatuia a ban for another nothing tackle. This is probably the worst one I have seen given by the RFL

So he was banned but wasn't penalised during the game? Maybe Wigan should kick up a stink like Saints did last week

The Prior ban is a joke also.

Farrell clearly did and Matty Peet has admitted that, saying his players need to do better, but it's what they've been forced to do as the ref's aren't seeing them. It was such a minor touch and clearly didn't hurt him in any way. As soon as the whistle went he jumped up quicker than a kid on Christmas morning. The second one was just embarassing from Farrell and he really should get at least a warning if not a ban for that. Farrell is getting a reputation for it, which should see the referees ignoring him in future.

Sironen, for all your accusations of cheating, did go onto his hands and knees to get up and play the ball. You can then see him exhale and visibly struggle, at which point he's probably told to go down. He's had the wind knocked out of his sails there, there's no cheating from him, but savy play from whoever told him to stay down.

So one player staying down after contact is cheating, the other one is "savvy play".

just thinking the same Wigan player gets a smack to the face stays down =cheating,Stains player gets a smack to the face (wigan player has no chance of pulling out of the tackle) Stains player stays down= savvy.

One player got a touch that wouldn't keep a butterfly from flying, the other had his bell rung, they aren't comparable at all. It's savvy in the sense that you don't want a player playing the ball like that for welfare reasons, you want him getting checked out with a HIA (Which they did).

The one comparison is that they are both high tackles and should both be penalties regardless of how strong a hit it was. The rules don't give a gauge for how hard the player needs to be hit in the head, just that he needs to have been hit in the head.

Strangely enough, the referee didn't give either of them at the time.

Dont talk daft Faz got a smack to the chops,thats it penalty not cheating just a penalty unless you are a stains player then it becomes "savvy".

However you define it, we don't want it in the game. We're going to end up with full on Premier League style rolling round the floor soon, it's slowly creeping in. The contact (If there was any) was jawline and below. Farrell goes down holding the top of his head, the ref is influenced by that and gives the penalty. He then dives up, suddenly and miraculously cured, smirking as he knows he's conned a penalty out of it. The second one was even worse as there wasn't any contact.

However I define it he got smacked in the jawline (your words) is a penalty all day long that is how I define it and that is how the rules define it.

I do agree we dont need play acting a bit like Welsby did when he lift his standing leg up so he could milk a penalty a few games back.

The problem is Farrell is becoming a serial faker this season, went down to get a penalty in our semi final, then in the CC final went down against Huddersfield to waste time and get a penalty. Two incidents against saints last weekend we can give him the benefit of the doubt with one of them , but the other one was basically a touch on his right ear but wen down rubbing the top of his head, that was really embarrassing.

A bet Andy Farrell who won Man of Steel twice is embarrassed as well at these antics, many fans reccommend a Man of Plasticine award for the Faker or some form of White Card for this type of behaviour.