I like your take on it and would give it ten out of ten.

The only problem I have is that it is completely wrong.

What is wrong with you, there is no need to cover up your lack of knowledge with this kind of tripe?

There really is no need for it particularly from someone from West Yorkshire with all that county's close nit rivalries, where you come from seems to matter to you on home ground but not anywhere else it seems. Unlike you I wouldn't like to offer an uninformed view on where a place 'is' particularly if you should consider a post code as a valid method of choosing where you live or your rugby team's name (look up St Helens)

I do understand that the term Manchester does extend beyond it's city boundaries, it's a regional centre of commerce and influence. Indeed, when travelling abroad and asked where I am from I start with I'm from Manchester despite residing IN Salford, as until the advent of the BBC move, Salford was deemed to be and it seems still is by your cockeyed standards, part of Manchester (is Bradford in Leeds BTW?) If the response is whereabouts, the standard answer would be well not actually Manchester I live in Salford and if asked again where, then I'd tell that person it was Salford itself or a distinguishable town within Salford and Swinton is an an example of this.

You or others may correct me here, but, in terms of Leeds, Hunslet rebranding as Leeds South might be acceptable as they have a Leeds Post Code but more importantly are in the City of Leeds from an administrative POV. Swinton has an M postcode but so does the rest Salford, parts of Trafford and Wigan none of these are administered by Manchester. The Old Trafford 'debate' further debunks your Post Code 'lottery' theory as the Borough of Trafford has both M and WA post codes.

Sorry for the length of my "batery" I suppose you will continue to live up to that old adage "You can always tell a Yorkshireman but you can't........"

Manchester is a funny place for this.

I’m a Mancunian, was born at St Mary’s Hospital in the city centre and have lived in Manchester and Trafford at different times in my life. I personally don’t feel I have ever lived outside Manchester at any point even though, strictly speaking, Trafford is not Manchester.

Manchester Trafford and Salford are three different boroughs. Salford its own city. And if you’d asked this question in the 1990s I’d have said that all three were different places. However like what happened in London (and Stoke, and Salford when it swallowed up towns like Swinton), Manchester has outgrown the borders of the boroughs and is a Metropolis, not a city.

In terms of the Global City Index, Manchester encompasses all areas of Greater Manchester except for the Northern towns of the county (Wigan Bolton Bury and Rochdale) as a Metropolis. Salford Trafford Manchester Oldham Tameside and Stockport is one continuous conurbation. Anyone calling any of those areas “Manchester” wouldn’t be wrong apart from in a sense of the outdated made up 1974 borough lines on a map.

So Old Trafford isn’t in Manchester but it is.

As for Bury, due to the geographical nature of the conurbation, it is not part of the Manchester conurbation because of the definite disconnect of Wigan Bolton Bury and Rochdale from that conurbation. However, Bury is part of Greater Manchester, the Greater Manchester Built-up area and the Manchester Statutory City Region (which actually also includes Warrington and Macclesfield as well as other areas). So Manchester Lions? Fine by me!

Does that make sense?

Makes perfect sense to me I live 'here'.

I don't really have a problem with Old Trafford being described as being in Manchester or Swinton for that matter I wasn't arguing from a definitive sense that our pals from Yorkshire seemed to be using post codes as a guide added to the fact that Prestwich is in Bury but physically 'attached' to Salford, the same with Wigan's Tyldesley and half of modern Oldham still think that they are Yorkshire it's definitely not simple.

It's about perception and a sense of where you think that you belong given the boundary commision changes that matter I've always gone for Warrington Lancs rather than Cheshire. Parts of Trafford the Cheshire bits have a WA postcode Altrincham however Sale historically Cheshire (south of the Mersey) has a Manchester code St Helens has a Warrington Code but would always be considered Lancs or Merseyside.....

There's been some pointless arguments on here over the years, but this is right up. I now think it must've been what Jacob Reese-Mogg was reading in parliament the other day.

Bread cakes, always has been, always will be.

Your choice but poor excuse there are plenty of blues fans (i know several season ticket holders at the Emptyhad) who support the Reds, more United of course and a fair few Ammies.

You KNOW its a barm flipping cake you lickle tinker.
And it's certainly not a Teacake. They have currants in.

And i had to edit that 3 times because of the assorted bread products Nazis

I hope the Lions keep going and don't end up going the same way as Blackpool.

a cake wih ale in it and electricity running through, how odd!