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| Quote: Diavolo Rosso "Exactly which land does the Odsal site encompass? Is the open land to the South East included (behind the hospitality units)? Is the car park and sports centre over the road included?
Have the RFL explored turning Odsal into an elite RL development centre - potentially combined with a modern RL stadium (think mini-Twickenham)?
If the site is big enough, could run (a) international setup (b) major fixtures (30-35k dedicated RL stadium) and (c) Bradford to meet some of the ongoing costs out of one site. Perhaps even more Red Hall over there. I appreciate that this is not an insignificant project or undertaking, but to me it seems like there may be an opportunity that benefits both the sport and the club here?'"
Maybe that could have been an option about 15 years ago, with the lead up to the London Olympics and extra cash flying around for sport legacy projects, but Odsal is still far too gone to be developed into a modern stadium without a hell of a lot of investment. IMO, there's no plan for redevelopment at Odsal that would be cheaper than just using a different site
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| Dunno if it is possible,but it may be worthwhile consulting with the government who,allegedly,want space to construct prisons.
It seems there may be objections to building at Full Sutton - Odsal would be in a good position to transport prisoners to courts around the north of England and most prisons in the north of England are at overcrowding limits
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| There's a few people that have been involved in the never ending Bradford saga who could do with being locked up. Poetic justice to do so at Odsal.
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| Quote: roofaldo2 "Yeah, the wording of that does come across as shocked that someone would call their bluff.
Chalmers has already come out and set a deadline for a response regarding the future of Odsal from the RFL and Bradford Council and that the club would be looking to leave Odsal if there was nothing positive forthcoming.
All it really says is that the Bulls haven't put in the official paperwork to change locations.'"
No, it means that they don't have permission to play where they say they are going to. The "making a decision in the best interests of the sport" is the key phrase. The RFL allowing an asset currently valued by them at around £400k to just disappear can't in anyway be considered to fit with that - and I doubt all the SL club chairmen 'friends' AC has made through his newspaper comments will be will be particularly supportive of him. Interesting times ahead I feel.
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| Quote: rugbyreddog "Why should the council buy it back. The RFL can keep it 'til the lease runs out.'"
Seem to remember there's a covenant on the lease that its only valid as long as professional rugby is played there. If Bulls leave the lease reverts to Bradford council and RFL are left with nothing.
And for poster stating the 72k rent is Bulls paying back the RFL loan. That was paid back in full at the time of RFL purchase of Odsal lease. The full amount of the original loan was deducted from the purchase price at time that RFL bought the lease, This was one of factors which led to First Bulls administration.
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| think the time has come to transfer the lease to the council and let them redevelop the site, hopefully a deal can be done for a new sports stadium with some of the proceeds. odsal is an old stadium, open to the elements, a rubbish view, below average facilities, yet while it stands there is always the temptation for bradford to keep going back to it for nostalgias sake. look at all the other clubs who have moved on from their old grounds. it is a place with a rich history but simply is not fit for purpose in 2019
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| Quote: roofaldo2 "Maybe that could have been an option about 15 years ago, with the lead up to the London Olympics and extra cash flying around for sport legacy projects, but Odsal is still far too gone to be developed into a modern stadium without a hell of a lot of investment. IMO, there's no plan for redevelopment at Odsal that would be cheaper than just using a different site'"
the cost for something like that would be astronomical, way out of the rfls ability to achieve
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| Quote: the artist "think the time has come to transfer the lease to the council and let them redevelop the site, hopefully a deal can be done for a new sports stadium with some of the proceeds. odsal is an old stadium, open to the elements, a rubbish view, below average facilities, yet while it stands there is always the temptation for bradford to keep going back to it for nostalgias sake. look at all the other clubs who have moved on from their old grounds. it is a place with a rich history but simply is not fit for purpose in 2019'"
The most sensible course of action would be a new community stadium on the Richard Dunn site across the road - the sports there is due to close shortly as there is a new site being built around the corner.
The new stadium could be used to house both the Bulls and Bradford Park Ave who play up the road at the Horsfall Stadium (another council owned ground). This gives both clubs the facilities they need to progress in their sports as well as give the council a new venue for other events and allows the council to make back some of the money by selling off the unrequired old stadiums for redevelopment
Won't happen because that's a sensible plan that solves everyone's problems
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| So if the RFL are paying a peppercorn rent and there's a covenant on the ground stipulating RL must be played there, what's stopping the RFL handing the lease back? All the risk appears to be with Bradford on getting a suitable venue, both now and in the future.
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| I have many great and not so good memories of Odsal, but one thing which always sticks in my mind is that fantastic picture of the Challenge cup replay “I think” over 100,000 attended this match and if memory serves me right Warry and Gerry Helme was involved.
The picture or print of this iconic occasion was to me as a young lad in the sixties, such a powerful part of rugby leagues history.
Good luck to all Bradford’s fans on this proposed venture, and a sad farewell to another part of rugby league folklore.
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| Just to clear up some misconceptions here.
The RFL have a leasehold on the ground that has 130 odd years left to run. There was a covenant that it’s primary use had to be as a rugby league stadium. That ended 31st May 2019.
The Company trading as Bradford Bulls has a sub lease that runs out 30th September 2019.
Also Michael Carter and Neil Hudgell have gone public in their desire to purchase RFL’s leasehold. Unless that was b0ll0x from a pair of gobsh17es.
So everyone is a winner apart from the fans who have to travel to home games for the foreseeable.
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| Quote: Mr Dog "The head lease between the RFL and BMDC is at a peppercorn rate. The sublease between the Bulls and the RFL is supposedly £72k pa -this is effectively them paying back the loan given to the last but one but one(?) incarnation of the club. The big costs are maintenance, which the new owners should really have known if they had performed the required due diligence before setting up shop there. A few years of consolidation as a PT club should really have been the way to go rather than signing up a squad of 35 with 22 FT players and going for instant success.'"
I’ve seen this “due diligence” rubbish spouted by a few people including the usual “experts” in the press. The knobs at forty20 magazine.
Fact is you can only do “due diligence” based on accounts made available by the administrator. These are inturn what the administrator has managed to put together in a rush based on what they could find. Given the people running the club before the last administration (Marc Green’s crew) proved to be not that great at accounting I’m guessing the true scale of the costs involved weren’t that obvious. They certainly were after Chalmers had had to pump in half a million after year one to cover the losses.
You know cutting your cloth and all that other garbage people come out with.
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| Quote: Pumpetypump "There's a few people that have been involved in the never ending Bradford saga who could do with being locked up. Poetic justice to do so at Odsal.'"
You think any of who you refer to are still involved?
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| Quote: Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza "Just to clear up some misconceptions here.
The RFL have a leasehold on the ground that has 130 odd years left to run. There was a covenant that it’s primary use had to be as a rugby league stadium. That ended 31st May 2019.
The Company trading as Bradford Bulls has a sub lease that runs out 30th September 2019.
Also Michael Carter and Neil Hudgell have gone public in their desire to purchase RFL’s leasehold. Unless that was b0ll0x from a pair of gobsh17es.
So everyone is a winner apart from the fans who have to travel to home games for the foreseeable.'"
The covenant that ran out in may 2019 was related to the odsal settlement made when bulls moved back to odsal from Valley parade. It locked bulls into playing majority of their first team games at odsal. If they moved before this date they had to repay part of the settlement money.
The Covenant saying the ground has to be used for professional rugby is for the duration of the head lease, ie another 130 yrs.
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| IIRC The RFL bailed out Bradford by buying the stadium at a large price and now the are still complaining about rent etc?
So if this move is allowed to go through, the RFL will have sunk a large amount of money into this single club and the only chance of now getting their money back is a sale if the ground which might not be possible?
In hindsight (and many said this at the time) Bradford should have been allowed to fold. If they had, a reformed Bradford might have rebuilt better than the current team already.
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