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Quote: Little Ivor "If you're relying on the money from away supporters to be successful in SL, then you really are screwed.

Catalans away support face a trip abroad every other week, English clubs have to go to Perpignan once a year... of course we take more to France than they bring here every fortnight.'"


Isn't that precisely the point ?
Nobody can expect Catalan, Toulouse, Toronto fans to come over here for too many games, it's simply not realistic.
However, those clubs, especially Catalan and Toulouse, do benefit hugely from away fans going over there. Indeed, it was the positive impact of away fans visiting Perpignan that encouraged the South of France Tourist board (Sud De France) to sponsor Catalan.
A couple of thousand fans visiting for a few days, even if they stay outside of Perpignan, is great tourism and they put good money into the local ecconomy.
Unfortunately, there will never be any "reciprocal" trade, mainly due to weather, "the industrial North" and the frequency of their away fixtures.

Some folk on here "dream" of an international SL with half (or more) of the clubs being based overseas, not realising the full impact of their dreams.

Having said thet, I can recommend all 3 destinations. Great places to visit and you get to watch a game while you are there. icon_biggrin.gif

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How strange people are, in presenting an argument that Catalan supporters face every two weeks that they would have to travel up unlike supporters here, once a year, ! Good point you say, well if that's correct they are arguing that when international rugby league in club matches hits here with several teams, we will be in the similar positiln, point/s proved using their observations ! How weird to argue for the wrong side thinking you are talking down an argument !

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Quote: TrinTrin "How strange people are, in presenting an argument that Catalan supporters face every two weeks that they would have to travel up unlike supporters here, once a year, ! Good point you say, well if that's correct they are arguing that when international rugby league in club matches hits here with several teams, we will be in the similar positiln, point/s proved using their observations ! How weird to argue for the wrong side thinking you are talking down an argument !'"


Personally, I'm ok with the French clubs in SL and I believe that Catalan have added something extra to the competition.
However, trying to include clubs from North America into a "localised" competition is just not practical.
Primarily due to the travel involved plus of course the logistical aspects of where they "fit", with academies etc and lets not forget, that despite many expansionists saying the additional costs are negligible, whatever the cost of travelling over there once or twice a season, this is additional cost for a cash strapped sport.
Unless of course, "we" replace the English clubs with overseas sides and manage to maintain the Sky cash to split between fewer clubs, which would more than fund the experiment.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Personally, I'm ok with the French clubs in SL and I believe that Catalan have added something extra to the competition.
However, trying to include clubs from North America into a "localised" competition is just not practical.
Primarily due to the travel involved plus of course the logistical aspects of where they "fit", with academies etc and lets not forget, that despite many expansionists saying the additional costs are negligible, whatever the cost of travelling over there once or twice a season, this is additional cost for a cash strapped sport.
Unless of course, "we" replace the English clubs with overseas sides and manage to maintain the Sky cash to split between fewer clubs, which would more than fund the experiment.'"


Well said. Let’s hold the game back because wakey and Salford can’t afford a trip over

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Quote: Little Ivor "If you're relying on the money from away supporters to be successful in SL, then you really are screwed.

Catalans away support face a trip abroad every other week, English clubs have to go to Perpignan once a year... of course we take more to France than they bring here every fortnight.'"


There lies the problem Triny is missing. With Catalans, London, Toronto, TO......reliance on away fans has to change. That shouldn't be a reason not to accept them, home teams need to work harder. The game is changing and needs to change fast

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Quote: Ruune Rebellion "Well said. Let’s hold the game back because wakey and Salford can’t afford a trip over'"


You are a pr1ck of the highest order aren't you LeBron? I'd hazard a guess that if somebody worked out what % of a team's average home gate travelled over to Perpignan for the Catalans away fixture then Salford would be in the top 2 or 3.
I also assume you probably don't have a job yourself based on the amount of time you spend on here so can only assume you've never made the trip yourself due to affordability? Give me a shout next season and you can share my cab.... icon_thumb.gif

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Quote: SaleSlim "You are a pr1ck of the highest order aren't you LeBron? I'd hazard a guess that if somebody worked out what % of a team's average home gate travelled over to Perpignan for the Catalans away fixture then Salford would be in the top 2 or 3.
I also assume you probably don't have a job yourself based on the amount of time you spend on here so can only assume you've never made the trip yourself due to affordability? Give me a shout next season and you can share my cab....
Lol he was talking about clubs not the fans but well done on such an epic rant.

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Hey guess what folks, the magic weekend is not MAGIC at all. It's just an extra round of fixtures at a neutral ground. They could have it on Uranus for all I care ! icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif k020.gif

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Quote: Budgiezilla "Hey guess what folks, the magic weekend is not MAGIC at all. It's just an extra round of fixtures at a neutral ground. They could have it on Uranus for all I care !
Of course you don’t care because your team will never be involved with it

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Quote: Ruune Rebellion "Of course you don’t care because your team will never be involved with it'"


1) Where did you buy your crystal ball from ?
2) Are only Super League fans allowed to attend these MAGIC events ?

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Alicante could be good, Benidorm not far away and holds 29,500. Cracking weekend away.

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Quote: Fishermanscap "Has it ever crossed your mind and that of a few other is that the local nature of RL is part of its appeal.
I don't think it is part of the appeal, but it's certainly its biggest drawback.

As long as we confine ourselves to some of the most economically deprived parts of the UK and Little towns that most of the country couldn't point to on a map, we have no right to complain that we have absolutely no relevance to the UK public, advertisers, sponsors or broadcasters.

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Quote: bramleyrhino "I don't think it is part of the appeal, but it's certainly its biggest drawback.

As long as we confine ourselves to some of the most economically deprived parts of the UK and Little towns that most of the country couldn't point to on a map, we have no right to complain that we have absolutely no relevance to the UK public, advertisers, sponsors or broadcasters.'"


So, those wishing to "promote" the sport, dismantle the game in the UK and "export" it to N. America.

I'm not sure that the breakaway in 1895 would have taken place if they had been told of "the masterplan".
I do agree however, that the roots of RL in the UK are both it's strength and weakness.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "So, those wishing to "promote" the sport, dismantle the game in the UK and "export" it to N. America.

I'm not sure that the breakaway in 1895 would have taken place if they had been told of "the masterplan".
I do agree however, that the roots of RL in the UK are both it's strength and weakness.'"


The breakaway in 1895 was about creating something that people would want to pay to see, in order to be able to pay the talent fairly for their time.

The times may have changed, but the goal is the same. I think those in 1895 would look at the sport today, with falling crowds and stagnating player salaries, and seriously think about changing things.

We've been over this before. Expansion is not the end-goal here, its merely a mechanism to improve this sport and make it more relevant in the 21st century. If the heartland clubs could do that, expansion isn't on the table.

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Being a non-worldwide barely thought of sports doesn’t hold back Gaelic football or hurling.

They’re never seen trying to “expand” their games, trying to find an international audience. Coming over to Manchester or Newcastle for a Magic Weekend to stir up interest in Great Britain for Irish sports that absolutely nobody would care about.

They concentrate on their bread and butter and develop the teams they’ve got.

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