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Quote: Ste100Centurions " A blind donkey watching on TV or even viewing the supplied photo can clearly see that the main *popular* stand had at least a few hundred seats untaken & the opposite side had easily 1,000 seats untaken. '"


I guess I'll be explaining this again for the rest of the season. Here goes (again) inside the grounds. That includes everyone you and your blind donkey can see in the beer garden at the north end and the VIP tents in the south end, everyone walking round the stadium, and everyone you and your donkey can't see because they're in the concourse under the seats or they're off having a wee.

Lamport has bleacher seating, not actual seats, so we can sit far apart or squinch up like sardines if we choose. It's also general admission, so we can sit anywhere we like.

No smoke and mirrors, my man. Just confusion from UK-based pundits who can't believe we can pull a crowd that size.

Your donkey also asked, "why give literally thousands of tickets away? One of TW officials stated last season that they give tickets away, it is fact ! How can that model work?"

Indeed, I was at that Q&A session when the comment was made. Note, that "tickets" does not automatically mean "thousands of tickets". Wolfpack does give away some free tickets - and season ticket holders get to use two free tickets for friends each season - what this does is get people who've never experienced a rugby league game before in their lives to come along and join the fun and spend money on beer & food & maybe even merch. Many of them come back for more, and pay their way. My 2018 free tickets have turned two friends into season ticket holders for 2019. And that's how the model works.

Personally, I can't wait for the Dragons/Warriors match at Camp Nou - the 2019 attendance record for both SL and the Championship will both be held by expansion teams.

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Quote: pandamonium ". Many of them come back for more, and pay their way.
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Given that the crowd was near capacity, if they all come back where will next week’s freebies be accommodated?

If Bradford’s support is significantly more the Swinton’s, will they get in?

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Free tickets or no free tickets , it was an impressive turnout for a club three years into its life , a sizeable number or Toronto citizens are showing an interest in the club and the sport

Can clubs over here learn or use similar ways to build their support bases ? , Possibly some of them to a lesser degree , but ultimately it does require one thing most clubs here don't have , a billionaire , able and willing to write a blank cheque to do whatever they decide , they have got the plan right along with a couple of starters , 1 a city centre stadium , 2 a virtually guaranteed wining team , also being a ' new ' sport without history , they then are able to attract various demographics from the local population , be that a cheap day out for families , a drinking venue with a party atmosphere as well as hard core sports fans looking for off season options to Hockey

Difficult for existing UK heartland clubs to imitate , and it possibly might be for other new clubs , only time will tell

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Quote: reffy "Given that the crowd was near capacity, if they all come back where will next week’s freebies be accommodated?

If Bradford’s support is significantly more the Swinton’s, will they get in?'"


I'd expect any Bulls fans making the trip from the UK would already have bought their tickets, wouldn't you? I know when I travel to watch the Wolfpack in the UK, I always make sure to buy a match ticket in advance.

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Quote: reffy "Given that the crowd was near capacity, if they all come back where will next week’s freebies be accommodated?

If Bradford’s support is significantly more the Swinton’s, will they get in?'"


Some might not have recovered from their blistered feet with all that walking up and down on concrete for 80mins.

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Quote: pandamonium "I'd expect any Bulls fans making the trip from the UK would already have bought their tickets, wouldn't you? I know when I travel to watch the Wolfpack in the UK, I always make sure to buy a match ticket in advance.'"


That's not the point reffy was making,so you never answered his question.

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einstien said insanity is when a person does the same thing over and over again but expects a different result:



Quote: Ruune Rebellion "Notice its fans of the bottom 2 super league clubs who feel threatened by Toronto There isn’t a Hull KR fan on here complaining plus we’ve played them twice and beat them twice

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: Ruune Rebellion "Notice its fans of the bottom 2 super league clubs who feel threatened by Toronto Not at all threatened....why would I feel threatened when a/ I know we are going down and b/ they choked against us at home in the MPG icon_lol.gif

Toronto are not the answer to the woes of the sport.......they are a sideshow, a gimmick, a fantasy......you and your multiple persona's are well aware of this.

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Quote: Call Me God "Not at all threatened....why would I feel threatened when a/ I know we are going down and b/ they choked against us at home in the MPG
Are you describing Toronto here or London?

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A casual reminder that in recent years two Super League doors have flung the gates open and advertised that admission is free and could not draw a crowd as high as Toronto last night.

I don't think anyone is claiming that all tickets last night were free?

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: Ruune Rebellion "Are you describing Toronto here or London?'"

either or.....unless it's a gimmick or a 4 stop bus trip, RL fans won't attend games, especially if it involves changing buses.
London, to be fair to Hughes, are delivering players through their academy.....but Argyle and Perez are polar opposites in their vision, with the Aussie Billionaire happy to massage hs ego and buy a round at games, whilst perez has a longer term vision....THEY'RE BOTH WASTING THEIR TIME BTW......in 25 years, London as received close to £50,000,000 central funding and quite probably another £50,000,000 in personal finance.....they play out of a wedding venue, nobody knows they exists and nobody really cares.
In terms of sport........Wimbledon FC were relegated, relocated, "cloned", reborn and still get more fans to either identity than London Broncos do......how can you spend 100 million quid and ed up with just 435 season ticket holders........let that figure sink in...£100,000,000 = 435 Season ticket holders icon_biggrin.gifEPRESSED:

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I really don’t believe some of utter bile being spouted on here, please tell me what is wrong with people watching a game of Rugby League? Why would any fan of the game want Toronto to fail? What has it cost any one posting on here or the club they follow? It has cost the game in the UK nothing it has shown a pathway for others to follow, if it fails what harm has it done to the rest of the teams here? I for one will try to visit if our team plays them.

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Quote: Beverley red "I really don’t believe some of utter bile being spouted on here, please tell me what is wrong with people watching a game of Rugby League? Why would any fan of the game want Toronto to fail? What has it cost any one posting on here or the club they follow? It has cost the game in the UK nothing it has shown a pathway for others to follow, if it fails what harm has it done to the rest of the teams here? I for one will try to visit if our team plays them.'"

We have played them and by your own admission you won’t attend our home games if it’s a night match because it’s to late for you

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Quote: SRV "A casual reminder that in recent years two Super League doors have flung the gates open and advertised that admission is free and could not draw a crowd as high as Toronto last night.

I don't think anyone is claiming that all tickets last night were free?'"


Only Call Me God, who claimed upthread that EVERY SINGLE TICKET IS FREE.

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Quote: Cokey "That's not the point reffy was making,so you never answered his question.'"


I answered his second point. Bulls fans will almost all be coming over on holiday packages with Air Transat + hotel + tickets (already purchased). They will get in.

Here's a stab at answering the first point:

Assume tickets sold to Bulls fans = b.

Assume season ticket holders = s.

Assume single game tickets already sold = g.

Assume possible freebies out there - f.

Wolfpack math goes b + s + g + f = a finite number less than 9600. The difference, d, is the remaining amount Wolfpack can hold for sales during the week and/or keep back for sales at the gate.

I guess Championship clubs don't often get this close to a sell-out. Brave new world.

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