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Quote: Call Me God "Whatever flicks your switch old bean, but your faux "it's union so I now nothing" shows are just an idiot trying to look cool in front of the other kids and failing because Union has another FTA deal which makes you uneasy....poor soul....
...could I suggest that next time you pretend not to know something you use Google...it'll stop you looking daft! You might want to read my post my auld chump to "stop you looking daft" where I quite clearly state the use of google, think there's only one daft looking chump here my poor poor little friend, and it's not me icon_surprised.gif

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Quote: financialtimes "Nope you're wrong, not for the first time and most definitely not the last. And again you have managed to prove me right a014.gif

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: financialtimes "You might want to read my post my auld chump to "stop you looking daft" where I quite clearly state the use of google, think there's only one daft looking chump here my poor poor little friend, and it's not me Post 3
Quote: financialtimes "Shows how little I know (and are interested in) RU, but with their head quarters in Dublin and home games played at landsdown road I made the assumption that they were Eire RU, what with their current TV deal being the RTE an Eire broadcaster, this also made me think they were an Eire team, is there any players in the current squad from Northern Ireland and is RU played anywhere in NI?
BTW I still stand by my comment the IRFU is an Eire organisation based in Dublin (Eire) which is not part of Great Britain Post 4
Quote: financialtimes "I asked the question as I genuinely didn't know (or care really as it's RU and I have no interest in that game) a little time on Google has clarified what you and and a couple of other posters have said, and although yes the IRFU represents all the provinces of the island of Ireland, the international game is quite clearly an Eire product hence their current deal with RTE, but I accept that they do represent Northern Ireland
....so no, I wasn't wrong c020.gif

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Quote: Call Me God "Alas, I was not wrong. You asked the question claiming you knew little, but then declared that they played in and were HQ'd at Dublin......before LATER claining that you had the googled it.......your time line betrays you as a sports bigot trying to look cool and failing.....
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....so no, I wasn't wrong Nope you're wrong and wrong again, unfortunately you can't educate pork and you can protest your accuracy (or inaccuracy) as much as you want young sonny jim fella me lad you keep clutching at straws China you seem pretty good at that rather than being right icon_lol.gif

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Quote: financialtimes "Nope you're wrong and wrong again, unfortunately you can't educate pork and you can protest your accuracy (or inaccuracy) as much as you want young sonny jim fella me lad you keep clutching at straws China you seem pretty good at that rather than being right
In fairness he is right. It's definitely an all Ireland team. In fact, the team is actually older than the country of Northern Ireland is.

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Quote: jakeyg95 "In fairness he is right. It's definitely an all Ireland team. In fact, the team is actually older than the country of Northern Ireland is.'"

That sounds not what he's arguing though, I've already admitted my early error about it being an Eire team (as I know f-all about RU) he's disputing that I actually do know and he also know at what point in the space time continuum I Looked at google icon_rolleyes.gif for the record second post I made was after I looked at the IRFU contacts page seeing where they were based, then I looked at google to see what others claimed, not sure why I'm explaining myself as I'm not the one looking like a fool, CMG has clearly claimed the ultimate prize to go with his ultimate being status icon_lol.gif

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: financialtimes "That sounds not what he's arguing though, I've already admitted my early error about it being an Eire team (as I know f-all about RU) he's disputing that I actually do know and he also know at what point in the space time continuum I Looked at google Buddy. You keep digging all you like....eventually you'll be that far down we won't be able to hear your inane and bias ramblings.

Back on topic.

C4 picking up these games must mean that the BBC were dealing with the home nations individually. Wales and Scotland, haven't announced they have jumped, so this means that BBC1, BBC2 & C4 will be covering the autumn test series of FTA TV stations. Combine this with the C5 Aviva games and the ITV highlights package for the premiership, the C4 deal for their European Cup and in the space of less than a decade, Union is now shown on all the major FTA stations in the UK. Furthermore, with SKY showing the England games this autumn and BT sport showing the premiership Rugby, as well as Premier Sports ow showing the Pro 14 comp, Union is now available on pretty much every platform.......

....meanwhile, we are shackled to SKY, who treat us like dirt and on a cheap deal too boot, so it's no wonder that the SL chairmen have tried to wrestle power from the RFL.......because 23 years ago there was the 6 nations on TV as far as Union was concerned.......now they are bloody everywhere whilst we are doing the same thing just on different days...

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Quote: Call Me God "Buddy. You keep digging all you like....eventually you'll be that far down we won't be able to hear your inane and bias ramblings'"

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Again again and again I have to keep saying this! RL has a serious image problem! No corporation wants to associate with a sport that has it's 'image' like that based on the TV dramas like the Royle Family, Shameless and Benidorm! Sorry, but that is how they see the game. Tacky, cheap and common. Open your fr*cking eyes.
Union has the image. Before any uneducated troll accuses me of being a union troll, he needs to think again. I can't stand rah rah but they are bl*dy good at marketing their sport and have done pretty well for the past 30 years!
RL in the UK has FAILED to expand it's demographic!
The attitide of the flat capper is:

No middle class
No foreigners
No women
No southerners
No educated

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Quote: jakeyg95 "In fairness he is right. It's definitely an all Ireland team. In fact, the team is actually older than the country of Northern Ireland is.'"


NI isn't a country. It's a province of the nation of the UK!!

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: Joff "NI isn't a country. It's a province of the nation of the UK!!'"

Actually it's 6 occupied counties of the Republic of Ireland, populated by a majority of Protestants moved there under the rule of James I in the early 1600's, whereby land once owned by Gaelic Chiefs was seized by the crown.......the reason it's not all 9 counties is because once again, the British didn't want to lose face after they lost the Irish War of Independence in 1922....if they'd included all 9 counties, then the Catholics would be in the majority.......but I digress icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Call Me God "Buddy. You keep digging all you like....eventually you'll be that far down we won't be able to hear your inane and bias ramblings.

Back on topic.

C4 picking up these games must mean that the BBC were dealing with the home nations individually. Wales and Scotland, haven't announced they have jumped, so this means that BBC1, BBC2 & C4 will be covering the autumn test series of FTA TV stations. Combine this with the C5 Aviva games and the ITV highlights package for the premiership, the C4 deal for their European Cup and in the space of less than a decade, Union is now shown on all the major FTA stations in the UK. Furthermore, with SKY showing the England games this autumn and BT sport showing the premiership Rugby, as well as Premier Sports ow showing the Pro 14 comp, Union is now available on pretty much every platform.......

....meanwhile, we are shackled to SKY, who treat us like dirt and on a cheap deal too boot, so it's no wonder that the SL chairmen have tried to wrestle power from the RFL.......because 23 years ago there was the 6 nations on TV as far as Union was concerned.......now they are bloody everywhere whilst we are doing the same thing just on different days...'"


FTA coverage of rugby league:
BBC England internationals
BBC Super League highlights show
BBC Rugby League World Cup
BBC Challenge Cup

Sky coverage of rugby league
Super League
NRL
Challenge Cup

As you can see, excluding super League and NRL we have FTA coverage. Most people wouldn't know it exists though.

Next onto this ridiculous notion that the game is shackled to sky and then sky treat the game like dirt.

Where do people get this rubbish from. Sky didn't roll into RFL HQ with sub machine guns demanding super league rights. How many times does this need to be said. Nobody else is willing to pay what sky do!

Stop this fantasy of there being a queue of networks all ready to blow sky out of the water. You will see the reality of the situation soon enough when the current deal expires.

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Quote: kobashi "

Next onto this ridiculous notion that the game is shackled to sky and then sky treat the game like dirt.

Where do people get this rubbish from. Sky didn't roll into RFL HQ with sub machine guns demanding super league rights. How many times does this need to be said. Nobody else is willing to pay what sky do!

Stop this fantasy of there being a queue of networks all ready to blow sky out of the water. You will see the reality of the situation soon enough when the current deal expires.'"


I'm not sure anyone has disparaged Sky in the way you suggest.

I would suggest that the viewing figures I posted (that around a third of RL viewers on Sky were watching Championship games), and adding that the Championship games were routinely in the top ten programs viewed on their channel that week, shows there is an appetite for showing Championship games which is not being satisfied.

My own view is that SLE/RFL have treated clubs below Super League shabbily by sequestering the vast majority of the Sky funds for Super League and by negotiating a deal in which Campionship RL rights were sold either without checking whether games would be screened or in the full understanding that they would not. If it is the latter (that everyone knew rights were being sold but no games would be screened) then, again in my view, that amounts to restriction of trade.

As for there being 'a queue of networks', you're probably correct for Super League, but I do believe that Championship RL could find a new home and the rewards from that might be substantially greater than those currently on offer. However, it does require a Championship with the cohesion, courage and confidence to take a hold of its own future.

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Quote: joultram "I'm not sure anyone has disparaged Sky in the way you suggest.

I would suggest that the viewing figures I posted (that around a third of RL viewers on Sky were watching Championship games), and adding that the Championship games were routinely in the top ten programs viewed on their channel that week, shows there is an appetite for showing Championship games which is not being satisfied.

My own view is that SLE/RFL have treated clubs below Super League shabbily by sequestering the vast majority of the Sky funds for Super League and by negotiating a deal in which Campionship RL rights were sold either without checking whether games would be screened or in the full understanding that they would not. If it is the latter (that everyone knew rights were being sold but no games would be screened) then, again in my view, that amounts to restriction of trade.

As for there being 'a queue of networks', you're probably correct for Super League, but I do believe that Championship RL could find a new home and the rewards from that might be substantially greater than those currently on offer. However, it does require a Championship with the cohesion, courage and confidence to take a hold of its own future.'"


The problem with looking at the Championship viewer numbers in isolation is that they don't necessarily make the business case for Sky showing more of the Championship. Many of those viewers may simply be channel-hoppers who landed on a bit of RL, or people who subscribed for Super League content. Whilst you can apportion the viewing figures to argue that Championship clubs deserve that proportion of the revenue, you can't make the case that the Championship clubs are actually generating that proportion of demand - the TV demand is disproportionately for SL content.

The real business case for showing more of the Championship for Sky is whether it would translate into more subscriptions (or whether showing less increases the number of cancelled subs). There are enough case studies to show that lower-league content doesn't necessarily translate into subscriptions both in RL (Premier Sports) and other sports (ITV Digital being a prime example). In other words, people may well be happy to watch the Championship, but are they actually willing to pay money for it? A basketball fan who subscribes to the NBA may be happy to watch BBL, but would they pay an extra subscription for it?

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You may be right in what you say bramleyrhino, but we will never know unless someone tries. Championship RL might ever only be a 'filler' program rather than directly a subscription generator but there are plently of new, and old, sports platforms out there who, I believe, will pay for such fillers.

By the way, a number of the programs that Championship RL beat were live RU games.

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