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[quote:18jc6kzm]I wish everyone would read bramleyrhino's post two or three times just to get it through some thick skulls[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote:18jc6kzm]Mr bramleyrhino speaks a lot of sense.[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote="Jamie Jones-Buchanan":18jc6kzm]"I'd never forgive myself if a child of mine was born in Lancashire.[/quote:18jc6kzm]:1506.jpg



Quote: Call Me God "Oh Buddy......how long have you got?
It's only useless in your eyes because it paints them in a better light than League, but the reality is they have gone from an average of 5k in 1998, to an average close to 3 times that in 2 decades whilst in the same period we've gone from 7k to 8.5k...but yeah, it's a useless statistic
Quite simply, it's an attitude thing.

The point game up here last week or so that Michael Carter said that the short notice of the Super Eights makes it "impossible" to sell the event, yet between the S8 fixtures being announced and Wakefield's first home game, there were 16 days. Sorry, but it is not "impossible" to sell an event in 16 days, it is just laziness. One of the posters in that thread said that, even though they often buy tickets online, they hardly see any email communications from the club. That's just one example of a poor attitude that's rife across the game.

In those 16 days, Wakefield (or any other club for that matter) could have really gone to town with the marketing and messaging - this is the business end of the season, they had a chance to upset the champions-elect, and one of the game's biggest talents was coming to town. They could have really pushed the boat out to enhance the matchday experience, to put on an event (hell, maybe even run a beer festival or something to appeal to people who maybe don't know much about the game) and make that game the place to be on a Thursday/Friday night, or a Sunday afternoon. They had 16 days to hammer the email database, 16 days to go through their CRM system and find those customers who could be tempted back, 16 days to run some targeted social media ads and sponsored content, 16 days to get players visiting schools, 16 days to hammer workplaces and 16 days to hit the amateur clubs. None of this is expensive, none of this needs Eddie Hearn and none of this needs the RFL to do it for them.

But no, despite the fact that part-time clubs like London Broncos managed to do it, apparently that's all "too short notice".

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Quote: maurice "RL is fe-ked because of its fans jealousy and lack of vision. We attract a wealthy benefactor then spend the remaining years of his/her tenure slagging them off, despite the millions they have put in - that really encourages the next guy.
Image is critical and an ageing fan base, decrepit half empty stadia and giving tickets away/on the cheap places our product in the bargain basement for income - unless we can get a huge tv increase we will not change this perception, Hearns or not.'"

Ageing fan base... I go the the HJ to watch Wire and there are loads of young people in attendance, LOADS! And we won’t be the only club where that’s the case.

Decrepit stadia... Headingly, KCom, Langtree, HJ, DW, John Smiths, AJ Bell, Gilbert Brutus are all fine stadiums and with a bit of work so would Craven Park be... Cas have an old stadium but it’s always full so it looks good anyway

Half empty stadia... this is where we fall down. But we look better than every NRL game in that giant 90000 stadium in Sydney with 12000 fans in there every week. But compared to RU we do look empty. (It would help at Warrington if the cameras looked AT the standing stand as that is always full)

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: bramleyrhino "Quite simply, it's an attitude thing.

The point game up here last week or so that Michael Carter said that the short notice of the Super Eights makes it "impossible" to sell the event, yet between the S8 fixtures being announced and Wakefield's first home game, there were 16 days. Sorry, but it is not "impossible" to sell an event in 16 days, it is just laziness. One of the posters in that thread said that, even though they often buy tickets online, they hardly see any email communications from the club. That's just one example of a poor attitude that's rife across the game.

In those 16 days, Wakefield (or any other club for that matter) could have really gone to town with the marketing and messaging - this is the business end of the season, they had a chance to upset the champions-elect, and one of the game's biggest talents was coming to town. They could have really pushed the boat out to enhance the matchday experience, to put on an event (hell, maybe even run a beer festival or something to appeal to people who maybe don't know much about the game) and make that game the place to be on a Thursday/Friday night, or a Sunday afternoon. They had 16 days to hammer the email database, 16 days to go through their CRM system and find those customers who could be tempted back, 16 days to run some targeted social media ads and sponsored content, 16 days to get players visiting schools, 16 days to hammer workplaces and 16 days to hit the amateur clubs. None of this is expensive, none of this needs Eddie Hearn and none of this needs the RFL to do it for them.

But no, despite the fact that part-time clubs like London Broncos managed to do it, apparently that's all "too short notice".'"

Spot on........... What Carter doesn't like is the chance of finishing 9th but being relegated....... The way Wakefield celebrate 8th spot is an embarrassment to the sport..... Survival should not be seen as succrss

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Quote: Call Me God "Spot on........... What Carter doesn't like is the chance of finishing 9th but being relegated....... The way Wakefield celebrate 8th spot is an embarrassment to the sport..... Survival should not be seen as succrss'"

Tell that to every Premier League, Championship, Lg1, Lg2, ANY football competition in the world when a team secures safety from relegation...

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: Psychedelic Casual "Tell that to every Premier League, Chsmpionship, Lg1, Lg2, ANY football competition in the world when a team secures safety from relegation...'"

We are not a wealthy sport. Giving 1.8 million to teams to survive is not a luxury we can afford...... And it's not just wakey..... Salford and Widnes are in there along with Huddersfield......

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Quote: Call Me God "We are not a wealthy sport. Giving 1.8 million to teams to survive is not a luxury we can afford...... And it's not just wakey..... Salford and Widnes are in there along with Huddersfield......'"

There are only so many places in a league system and somebody has to be in every place, and with the player pool we have it doesn’t matter which club that is because it’s the same players playing for whoever makes up the league.

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: Psychedelic Casual "There are only so many places in a league system and somebody has to be in every place, and with the player pool we have it doesn’t matter which club that is because it’s the same players playing for whoever makes up the league.'"

London are doing OK in the 2nd tier and are developing talent..... Their kids have been really impressive over the last couple of years.... Fax have 2 sides...... Clubs can produce players if they aren't threatened with relegation...... But the likes of wakey will spend the 1.8 on survival...... Widnes look like they've thrown in the towel this year..... Watch them prosper in the 2nd tier and develop more local Players

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Quote: Call Me God "Other reasons...regardless of the romantic ideal of some, RL fans are rough and gruff and working class folk.......not a bad thing essentially, but not aspirational middle class Britain that we all believe we've become. £90 a ticket to watch Chelsea screams "I am worth having".....£10 a ticket to the CC Final screams we are cheap and nasty.'"


Occasional cheap tickets are fine, but in isolation they are not the answer. Whether it’s Camel racing, tug of war or Britain’s got talent contestants, to attract people who do not normally go to rugby games to attend, it needs to be an event with additional entertainment and the event needs to be marketed to get the word out.

This is taken from an old news article. Yes camel racing is a bit daft, but it’s sure to be talked about and it made the newspaper sports headlines (free marketing)

Saracens' hopes of making Wembley stadium a "home away from home" this season have suffered an untimely blip after stadium authorities banned the club from staging a camel race as part of the entertainment at Saturday's Premiership Big Day Out against Northampton.
Saracens' eventual goal is to replicate the huge attendances Stade Français have attracted in Paris with similar reduced-price ventures. The majority of tickets for the game are on sale at £10 for adults and £5 for children and the club's long-time backer Nigel Wray predicts the club will attract a crowd in excess of 90,000 within three years. "Over 10 years our average crowds have generally flatlined at Watford at around 8,500-9,000," said Griffiths. "If we can bounce an extra 3,000-4,000 out of Wembley to our game against Gloucester on 27 September, we start to get some momentum. Viewed in isolation it could be a loss-making exercise but you can only assess crowds over a whole season." In the camels' absence, entertainment will include a performance by Diversity, the winners of Britain's Got Talent, and a tug of war competition.

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Can you imagine football doing something as stupid as having a major event at a stadium that this incredibly difficult to get to and giving fans almost no time to organise their tickets and travel. They may as well have played the Champions league final in a war zone. Oh wait. d040.gif

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Quote: maurice "RL is fe-ked because of its fans jealousy and lack of vision. We attract a wealthy benefactor then spend the remaining years of his/her tenure slagging them off, despite the millions they have put in - that really encourages the next guy.
Image is critical and an ageing fan base, decrepit half empty stadia and giving tickets away/on the cheap places our product in the bargain basement for income - unless we can get a huge tv increase we will not change this perception, Hearns or not.'"

If you mean Koukash then I’d rather he not have bothered. All he brought to RL was inflated player wages for a few seasons. Nothing else.

We don’t need or want that kind of wealthy owner. We need ones who are more forward thinking and less short term and build for the future.

Exactly as the Union fella in that article said - we need to spend money on club infrastructure and the matchday experience, that’s made harder for everyone when a billy big bo||ocks comes in flashing his cash at players for a few years and then sods off when things don’t go his way.

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[b:3w2ur1db]Superleague Titles[/b:3w2ur1db] Warrington Wolfs - 0 Wakefield Trinity - 0 Leigh Centurions - 0 [quote="Budgiezilla":3w2ur1db]Surely it can only be a player from Catalans. Probably the best RL side I have ever witnessed in this season's comp.[/quote:3w2ur1db]:



Quote: Him "If you mean Koukash then I’d rather he not have bothered. All he brought to RL was inflated player wages for a few seasons. Nothing else.

We don’t need or want that kind of wealthy owner. We need ones who are more forward thinking and less short term and build for the future.

Exactly as the Union fella in that article said - we need to spend money on club infrastructure and the matchday experience, that’s made harder for everyone when a billy big bo||ocks comes in flashing his cash at players for a few years and then sods off when things don’t go his way.'"


What a load of tosh. Remind me what Davy, Carter, Hetherington and Lenegan have done for the game other than reduce their average gates

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A big part of the reason that we are so far behind RU is the a***holes on here constantly griping about clubs other than their own not being good enough or fit to play the game. If there are teams that can replace those teams, and in that I include my team then it will happen. until that day comes along stop moaning and support the game.

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Quote: Liversedge Wildcat "A big part of the reason that we are so far behind RU is the a***holes on here constantly griping about clubs other than their own not being good enough or fit to play the game. If there are teams that can replace those teams, and in that I include my team then it will happen. until that day comes along stop moaning and support the game.'"

But the only thing that allows the likes Salford to beat any of the Championship top 4 is the fact they receive £1.8 million in central funding, while the Championship top 4 only receive a tiny fraction of that figure. Because of this it’s not a given the 4 stronger clubs in the Championship will replace them.

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We really attract the idiot, inept and incompetent admin don't we to the code.

RU is rub by successful and admirable competent administrators and people with vision, no wonder they are moving forward at a rapid rate!
Unless this game grows a pair, it will become even more of a irrelevant niche sport for a few working class council estate suburbs and villages along the M62....
Open your f*ckng eyes people. icon_rolleyes.gif

It's a big world out there and the game has great potential if this ship is captained and steered well!!

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