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Quote: Gronk! "If the game was on Sky the Clubb one gets disallowed for being short, the Leuluai one is probably given but Isa also gets sent off and nothing happens to Cook (which Wigan scored off the back of to get the Leuluai one back...).

The refs are having a tough time because they're poorly coached + wrapped in cotton wool and can't be criticised. The problem is firmly on Ganson who's in charge and Thaler who runs the training.

Also, refs get escorted off the pitch all the time so don't try and pin that one as a thing that only happens at Cas/last night.'"

Seems some of your own fans disagree with you :

Caslad on the Wigan board.

"I have to be honest, as I've said earlier in the thread - it was a try in my opinion. Clubb got dragged back after grounding it before the officials got a view of it so all they saw was the ball grounded short of the line. From where I was stood in the Weldon Road End I had a clear view and put my head in my hands when I saw it grounded. When it was signalled short I couldn't believe it and said 'we've dodged a bullet there''

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Quote: caslad75 "^^ Childs was too whistle happy at times and equally garbage for both sides Willzay. It was a good, tough game and both teams gave as good as they got. We both got away with a few things and both had a few things pulled back/not given that were harsh. No complaints here about Childs favouring either side, he was just plain garbage!'"


Everyone knows what they get with him tbf. I don't if clubs look at refs previous games as part of the pre match prep but I imagine it would help if they did.

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Quote: Gronk! "If the game was on Sky the Clubb one gets disallowed for being short, the Leuluai one is probably given but Isa also gets sent off and nothing happens to Cook (which Wigan scored off the back of to get the Leuluai one back...).

The refs are having a tough time because they're poorly coached + wrapped in cotton wool and can't be criticised. The problem is firmly on Ganson who's in charge and Thaler who runs the training.

Also, refs get escorted off the pitch all the time so don't try and pin that one as a thing that only happens at Cas/last night.'"



It happens when they’re being abused and it’s the sensible thing to do. It usually happens though when the home fans have some just cause for feeling a little short changed with the decisions but that just can’t have been the case last night.

I’ve said myself I felt the better side on the night won the game but as I say if it’s on Sky Wigan win.

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Quote: NickyKiss "It happens when they’re being abused and it’s the sensible thing to do. It usually happens though when the home fans have some just cause for feeling a little short changed with the decisions but that just can’t have been the case last night.

I’ve said myself I felt the better side on the night won the game but as I say if it’s on Sky Wigan win.'"

Not sure how Wigan win if its on Sky? I'm sure if we would have been down a try earlier if it had been given then our game would have changed to get back in to it earlier..... Tries change games so the game would have changed had we been down earlier.

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Add to that you would have been down to 12 with the cameras as that was a disgrace when Jy got took out in the air. Worst decision of game.

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Quote: cas all the way "Not sure how Wigan win if its on Sky? I'm sure if we would have been down a try earlier if it had been given then our game would have changed to get back in to it earlier..... Tries change games so the game would have changed had we been down earlier.'"

So are you saying if Cas had scored 2 more tries Wigan would have won? Or does that logic only work if it favours Cas?

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Bloody hell I thought Cas fans couldn’t get more embarrassing than last year.

I was wrong.

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Quote: NSW "Bloody hell I thought Cas fans couldn’t get more embarrassing than last year.

I was wrong.'"



Give over. We are just replying to Wigan fans saying they were cheated out of the game. Couldn't beat our second team. Blaming the ref. Now that's embarrassing.

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Quote: cas all the way "Give over. We are just replying to Wigan fans saying they were cheated out of the game. Couldn't beat our second team. Blaming the ref. Now that's embarrassing.'"




Perhaps you should point this out to Mr Powell.

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The “if it was on TV” argument is never valid, I’m afraid. The reason is that incidents in games don’t happen in isolation. If Isa is binned for the tackle on Hitchcox, that doesn’t mean everything else that happened in the game would be the same
If Clubb’s try is awarded, play restarts in a completely different way and everything that follows is completely different and unknown. The fact is that nobody know what might have happened should one of the decisions be different. Wigan might have won. Cas might have won by more.
In life, we only know what happened. We don’t know what might have happened from an almost infinite number of possibilities.

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Quote: nottinghamtiger "The “if it was on TV” argument is never valid, I’m afraid. The reason is that incidents in games don’t happen in isolation. If Isa is binned for the tackle on Hitchcox, that doesn’t mean everything else that happened in the game would be the same
If Clubb’s try is awarded, play restarts in a completely different way and everything that follows is completely different and unknown. The fact is that nobody know what might have happened should one of the decisions be different. Wigan might have won. Cas might have won by more.
In life, we only know what happened. We don’t know what might have happened from an almost infinite number of possibilities.'"

I know what you're saying but you then have to argue that it's best not to score tries or it might alter the game negatively for you. That is, of course, a nonsense. The game was a close one. Either side scoring 8-12 points more than they did would, on the balance of probabilities, have been more likely to win that game than lose it. That's before we factor in that scoring usually swings momentum in the favour of the scoring side.

Are there any guarantees that Wigan would have won had those tries been awarded? Of course not. Would it have increased their chances of winning? Without question. In a game with a winning margin of just 1 point even more so.

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Quote: Phuzzy "I know what you're saying but you then have to argue that it's best not to score tries or it might alter the game negatively for you. That is, of course, a nonsense. The game was a close one. Either side scoring 8-12 points more than they did would, on the balance of probabilities, have been more likely to win that game than lose it. That's before we factor in that scoring usually swings momentum in the favour of the scoring side.

Are there any guarantees that Wigan would have won had those tries been awarded? Of course not. Would it have increased their chances of winning? Without question. In a game with a winning margin of just 1 point even more so.'"

But let's say we are 6 down at the end and not tied at 18 a piece. The 3 times we went for FGs.... We would have gone for tries. Who's saying we wouldn't have scored from them. Its all ifs and buts and the Wigan fans saying we would have won if them tries had been given is nonsense.

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Quote: Phuzzy "I know what you're saying but you then have to argue that it's best not to score tries or it might alter the game negatively for you. That is, of course, a nonsense. The game was a close one. Either side scoring 8-12 points more than they did would, on the balance of probabilities, have been more likely to win that game than lose it. That's before we factor in that scoring usually swings momentum in the favour of the scoring side.

Are there any guarantees that Wigan would have won had those tries been awarded? Of course not. Would it have increased their chances of winning? Without question. In a game with a winning margin of just 1 point even more so.'"


Clearly, of course one would always choose to score tries on the basis it makes winning more likely. But it’s not certain. Let’s say team A scores an unconverted try. Team B then wins the ball from a short kick-off and scores immediately, converting the try to 6 points, then team A would have been better not scoring!
Of course, it’s all ifs and buts and of course teams don’t turn tries down because of what might happen next, but my point is that sport is a game of infinite possibilities and no certainties. Wigan would have been more likely to win had Clubb’s effort been awarded, but it’s quite possible that they wouldn’t have done.

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Quote: nottinghamtiger "Clearly, of course one would always choose to score tries on the basis it makes winning more likely. But it’s not certain. Let’s say team A scores an unconverted try. Team B then wins the ball from a short kick-off and scores immediately, converting the try to 6 points, then team A would have been better not scoring!
Of course, it’s all ifs and buts and of course teams don’t turn tries down because of what might happen next, but my point is that sport is a game of infinite possibilities and no certainties. Wigan would have been more likely to win had Clubb’s effort been awarded, but it’s quite possible that they wouldn’t have done.'"

Again I understand what you're saying and I'm not saying it's a given that Wigan would have won, just a more likely outcome than the opposite. What you're saying is the equivalent of saying had Wigan scored less points they'd have been more likely to win as the game would have been irrevocably changed. The mistake you're making is to think any change would have favoured Cas when, apart from fan loyalty, there is absolutely no reason to think that. It's just as likely that the game would have turned in Wigan's favour. In fact you could argue more likely as it would be Wigan with the points definitely on the board (as opposed to the wishful thinking of what might have happened.)

Let me ask you this; Had Cas scored another 8-12 points would you have expected them to go on to lose that game? If your answer is "yes" I'll accept your point.

Btw, it was 2 wrongly disallowed tries as TL's was also grounded according to all reports.

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Quote: cas all the way "But let's say we are 6 down at the end and not tied at 18 a piece. The 3 times we went for FGs.... We would have gone for tries. Who's saying we wouldn't have scored from them. Its all ifs and buts and the Wigan fans saying we would have won if them tries had been given is nonsense.'"

How is it a nonsense? It has considerably more merit than the opposing view.
Games are won by scoring more points. The game was a tight one and scoring more points increases the chances of winning. That's just common sense. Otherwise we need to write to all the coaches in world sport to tell them to stop trying to outscore their opponents as it reduces their chances of winning.

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